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Black Tide in Brazil
- myth_drannon 7y agoA bit of local context. The Brazilian president accused Green Peace in staging the accident. Also according to Bolsanaro fish are not dumb and if they see oil they are going to avoid it (that was a real treasure for memes).
- joelvalleroy 7y agoCan they see the oil? I read mobile fish can avoid it, but shellfish and such can't move that fast if they're already in it. https://www.itopf.org/knowledge-resources/documents-guides/environmental-effects/effects-in-offshore-and-coastal-waters/ https://www.itopf.org/knowledge-resources/documents-guides/e...
- edjrage 7y agoYou don't even have to dispute him. He rarely has any clue of what he talks about, and that's blatantly true here when he believes oil spillings are all about "fish".
- pvaldes 7y agoIs more about taste than sight
- dredmorbius 7y agoThis is the bullshit asymmetry principle at work: The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it. a/k/a Brandolino's Law. https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2019/01/28/bullshit-asymmetry-principle/ https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2019/01/28/bullshit-a... The claim is bullshit. We know it's bullshit. Refuting it ties up resources and conversations. Flag it as bullshit and move on. See also burden of proof fallacy: https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/222/Shifting-of-the-Burden-of-Proof https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla...
- gtirloni 7y agoI wonder when the middle class and the entrepreneurs will realize the price was too high for the promise of reforms. I won't comment on other countries but the 2018 elections in Brazil are a warning for all people that think voting for an "outsider" is the way to solve problems. Fun fact, Bolsonaro has been a politician for 28 years but still ran the campaign on the "outsider" message. Reason #1 I'm avoiding the news, I just want 2022 to be here soon.
- adnzzzzZ 7y agoEconomically Brazil has been considerably better since he got elected and most things seem to be moving in the right direction. What exactly is this cost that you mentioned?
- duxup 7y agoConsidering the comment he responded to I interpreted the cost being ... the truth. Toss out the truth and I'm not sure you can count on anything.
- seminatl 7y agoThe guy has been in office for 10 months. The projected 2019 GDP growth is less than actual 2018 growth. Latest available unemployment rate was the same as the rate from the year prior. Which aspect of the Brazilian economy strikes you as considerably better?
- gota 7y agoDebatable at best. 1- Employment is slightly increasing but still tragically low. Whatever gains in employment are coming from loss of worker rights. 2- Record historical inequality and increasing means unavoidable civil unrest in the future 3- Inflation is down due to idle capacity, not increasing production 4- Stock market is up at the cost of (the promise of) privatization of oil and profitable public companies 5- Goods and services consumption going up with mean household income going down means people are selling dinner to buy lunch - the government is allowing people to spend their government pension deposits again. Didn't work for long when they did it in 2018, won't work now
- bobowzki 7y agoBolsonaro never fails to surprise...
- paulddraper 7y agoIt's unsurprising it is a surprise?
- williamxd3 7y agothe price was even higher to stay with the same party
- pvaldes 7y agoBolsonaro has a long history of not having the slightest clue about how to manage an ecological emergency.
- dyingkneepad 7y agoBolsonaro has a long history of not having the slightest clue about *.
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- soneca 7y agoTotal especutlation mode about the origin of this disaster: Venezuela is suffering oil export sanctions. When that kind of sanction happens it's not uncommon to transport oil in ships with "rented" flags or no flags to ports of close countries, so the oil is incorporated to that country's production and can be sold. It is a tiny quantity, but generate some money to some people. As everything clandestine, this transportation doesn't care much about safety and environmental precautions. It is tough investigation to make, so maybe we will end only with those especutlations
- jiofih 7y agoYou’re right on. Chemical analysis has already confirmed that the oil comes from Venezuelan fields, and the quantity is smaller than you’d expect, they are currently investigating a handful of suspect ships, but most likely the responsible one would have had its comm equipment turned off and hence not recorded by radar.
- CompleteWalker 7y agoDo you have source for the chemical analysis? Curious to read...
- rodolphoarruda 7y agoI'm not sure if data from the analysis will be made available to the large public anytime soon, but in the links below you can find more information about the protocol in use, measures taken so far and a statement from Petrobrás about the type of oil found in the region. https://g1.globo.com/economia/noticia/2019/10/25/petrobras-diz-que-e-praticamente-impossivel-impedir-que-oleo-chegue-as-praias.ghtml https://g1.globo.com/economia/noticia/2019/10/25/petrobras-d... https://www.marinha.mil.br/manchasdeoleo/informacoes-sobre-o-oleo https://www.marinha.mil.br/manchasdeoleo/informacoes-sobre-o... http://www.petrobras.com.br/fatos-e-dados/recolhemos-mais-de-200-toneladas-de-residuos-de-oleo-nas-praias-do-nordeste.htm http://www.petrobras.com.br/fatos-e-dados/recolhemos-mais-de...
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- hanniabu 7y agoI gotta say, I'm quite surprised people like this last so long without getting assassinated.
- pernambucano 7y agoIt has been removed 4500 Tons of oil from the northeastern beaches already, according to the Brazilian Navy (https://www.marinha.mil.br/sites/default/files/nota_gaa_17nov_.pdf https://www.marinha.mil.br/sites/default/files/nota_gaa_17no...).
- ricardobeat 7y agoWow. There are roughly ten thousand people involved in the cleanup effort, the majority from the Navy and the Civil Guard. Huge props to these folks.
- darksaints 7y agoRoss Kemp did an excellent documentary about the rise of piracy in Nigeria that investigated the motives of the pirates. It actually ended up being about how the rise of massive pollution from oil companies, enabled by government corruption, destroyed the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of Nigerian villagers who no longer could fish or grow crops. We can't get off of our oil addiction fast enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjGl8CLjKh0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjGl8CLjKh0
- Braggadocious 7y agoThat is an amazing amount of love and care for brazilians to go out onto the beaches and "pick up" oil. I can't even fathom americans doing that.
- flyGuyOnTheSly 7y agoAmericans absolutely did support the cleanup efforts of the BP spill in the gulf... the 24/7 news cycle was talking about it for months.
- chasd00 7y agodon't forget the Exxon Valdez spill. That spill generated so much public attention and effort it seems like an entire non-profit industry was born from it.
- bbmario 7y agoWhat is it with HN and the hate towards americans?
- mikelyons 7y agoSpeculation: Americans elect Bushs and Trumps. It's also easy to absolve yourself when the person you're hating on is the strongest.
- B1FF_PSUVM 7y ago> hate towards americans Fine people sorely abused.
- pprplt 7y agoThe native genocide, slavery and the endless wars all over the world probably have something to do with it.
- llsf 7y agoThere are still some black sand and naturally formed asphalt crust, in Brittany's beaches in France... 40 years after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoco_Cadiz_oil_spill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoco_Cadiz_oil_spill. It is virtually impossible to clean oil spill. Hopefully this one is not too big, and won't spoil too much of the shore.
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- aszantu 7y agothere's no way to just burn it when it dries on the beach?
- simtel20 7y agoI suspect that without a well-sealed oven, you just get toxic air and soil if you burn it.