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Yeah this POV is totally backwards. HKPF attempted to arrest students in university dorms, and HK protestors stopped them. HKPF fired over 2500 rounds of tear

Yeah this POV is totally backwards. HKPF attempted to arrest students in university dorms, and HK protestors stopped them. HKPF fired over 2500 rounds of tear gas, enough to kill birds flying overhead. Disappointing to see such a CCP-friendly skew from a venerable American journalism outfit (maybe that's being too generous these days though).

xwolfi 7y ago
Dude it's not so straight. First our universities aren't somehow in an ephemeral plane absent of any police jurisdiction, second it seems the number of petrol bombs (I heard 400) was enormous pointing to some large capacity being built up there (I remind you they are more lethal than tear gas round) and third this standoff produce 0 positive effect in retrospect. I'm all for opposing our communist overlords, but they might not be convinced to listen if we hurl molotov and cry at birds rather than show a reasonable front, which is what ended the extradition law in the first place.
- neonIcon 7y ago
  Not sure what fantasy land you live in but it is far from ended.. Do you really think the CCP won't eventually ram it through?
- camgunz 7y ago
  > First our universities aren't somehow in an ephemeral plane absent of any police jurisdiction Right but you need a warrant, which the police did not have and never got, because they weren't there to arrest anyone in particular, because they had no cause, because this is a terror tactic. > second it seems the number of petrol bombs (I heard 400) was enormous pointing to some large capacity being built up there It's real easy to build a molotov, especially if you have a bunch of protestors working in an assembly line. Which is fortunate, because that's probably the only thing that kept the cops from arresting scores of innocent students to be beaten and raped in jail. People have the right to defend themselves. HKPF are genuinely a threat to Hongkongers and have lost all legitimacy. It's a true tragedy, but the time for excuses and apologists is past.
jimworm 7y ago
Attempted to enter the dorms to arrest nobody in particular, without a warrant. After seeing the past few months' video evidence of police brutality, fear and resistance seem somewhat justified. Personally I haven't yet imagined a way out that satisfies all sides. The fear of police seems deeply ingrained in the population and no current or former protester believes they would be treated fairly if the movement abandons any of the demands. The government, fearful of reprisal from the ruthless Beijing elite, are unwilling to grant any concessions to the protest demands. The police are also deeply fearful of an independent judicial investigation into their activities, and must maintain a state of disorder, increasing the government's dependence on police so that they will not launch an investigation. It seems like the situation has reached a Nash equilibrium and the whole ship is doomed to continue sinking.
- mgamache 7y ago
  "without a warrant" is a warrant needed? It's US and UK law, but not sure it's HK.
  - late2part 7y ago
    Criminal procedure in Hong Kong - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Criminal_procedure_in_Hong_Kong Jump to Power of arrest - But before an officer can actually arrest anyone, he or she is required by law to request an arrest warrant from a magistrate. If not ...
  - sjg007 7y ago
    Pretty sure Hong Kong police need warrants.

xwolfi 7y ago

Dude it's not so straight. First our universities aren't somehow in an ephemeral plane absent of any police jurisdiction, second it seems the number of petrol bombs (I heard 400) was enormous pointing to some large capacity being built up there (I remind you they are more lethal than tear gas round) and third this standoff produce 0 positive effect in retrospect. I'm all for opposing our communist overlords, but they might not be convinced to listen if we hurl molotov and cry at birds rather than show a reasonable front, which is what ended the extradition law in the first place.

neonIcon 7y ago
Not sure what fantasy land you live in but it is far from ended.. Do you really think the CCP won't eventually ram it through?
camgunz 7y ago
> First our universities aren't somehow in an ephemeral plane absent of any police jurisdiction Right but you need a warrant, which the police did not have and never got, because they weren't there to arrest anyone in particular, because they had no cause, because this is a terror tactic. > second it seems the number of petrol bombs (I heard 400) was enormous pointing to some large capacity being built up there It's real easy to build a molotov, especially if you have a bunch of protestors working in an assembly line. Which is fortunate, because that's probably the only thing that kept the cops from arresting scores of innocent students to be beaten and raped in jail. People have the right to defend themselves. HKPF are genuinely a threat to Hongkongers and have lost all legitimacy. It's a true tragedy, but the time for excuses and apologists is past.

jimworm 7y ago

Attempted to enter the dorms to arrest nobody in particular, without a warrant. After seeing the past few months' video evidence of police brutality, fear and resistance seem somewhat justified. Personally I haven't yet imagined a way out that satisfies all sides. The fear of police seems deeply ingrained in the population and no current or former protester believes they would be treated fairly if the movement abandons any of the demands. The government, fearful of reprisal from the ruthless Beijing elite, are unwilling to grant any concessions to the protest demands. The police are also deeply fearful of an independent judicial investigation into their activities, and must maintain a state of disorder, increasing the government's dependence on police so that they will not launch an investigation. It seems like the situation has reached a Nash equilibrium and the whole ship is doomed to continue sinking.

mgamache 7y ago
"without a warrant" is a warrant needed? It's US and UK law, but not sure it's HK.
- late2part 7y ago
  Criminal procedure in Hong Kong - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Criminal_procedure_in_Hong_Kong Jump to Power of arrest - But before an officer can actually arrest anyone, he or she is required by law to request an arrest warrant from a magistrate. If not ...
- sjg007 7y ago
  Pretty sure Hong Kong police need warrants.