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So what you’re saying is someone had better start working on a competing password manager today.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
There are several competing password managers today of course! My take is that like Dropbox (disclaimer: paying Dropbox customer until iCloud Files is just a bit better), this is a feature, not a product (unless you need team or cross platform functionality, but for teams you should probably be enterprise grade with SSO instead of sharing creds). I'd switch from BitWarden to a native Apple solution the moment the Keychain UX reached parity with BitWarden, n=1.
- scrollaway 7y ago
  As a sole user it's definitely a feature-not-product, but for teams 1Password really is a product with its extensive access controls etc. Kinda reminds me of identity management / authentication. These also are features, right? But I feel a lot better about delegating that feature to a business whose core competency is that (eg. Okta, Google, …). "Payment" also is a feature, but I'd never not use Stripe.
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- nytesky 7y ago
  Why or why is Apple keychain so limited. It is strictly for website address/passwords, so doesn't work for a more diverse robust security password manager. And the sync is very flaky (when I create items within the setting application, they don't show up on my phone). And its multi steps to simply launch keychain since its not a true native app on MacOS nor iOS.
  - lotsofpulp 7y ago
    I like that keychain is limited, at least it makes me feel like there’s fewer possible vulnerabilities. KeepassX and minikeepass on iOS are my go to for secure notes. I don’t see the need for super convenience with my credentials, I’m willing to do some work to access them. Either way, I’m not handing over a database of login info to a SaaS company. Might make sense for large companies though.
    - therealx 7y ago
      Except it's not limited? Have you ever opened "Keychain Access" on your Mac?
      - lotsofpulp 7y ago
        No! Wow, didn’t know it had more capabilities. But I use keepassX as it’s easier to create shared databases.
classified 7y ago
I'm inferring the same conclusion. The days of 1Password as one of the best password managers will soon be over.
asdff 7y ago
Like apple, firefox, google, etc... Once the big horses are in the game, it's over. You cannot overcome the brute force of production and cash. Just look at dropbox impoding.
- benhurmarcel 7y ago
  Another example is G Suite. They started as "Gmail with your own domain" and switched to a corporate Office suite. Now individuals that use them regret it more and more. At least password managers are easy to switch.

There are several competing password managers today of course! My take is that like Dropbox (disclaimer: paying Dropbox customer until iCloud Files is just a bit better), this is a feature, not a product (unless you need team or cross platform functionality, but for teams you should probably be enterprise grade with SSO instead of sharing creds). I'd switch from BitWarden to a native Apple solution the moment the Keychain UX reached parity with BitWarden, n=1.

scrollaway 7y ago
As a sole user it's definitely a feature-not-product, but for teams 1Password really is a product with its extensive access controls etc. Kinda reminds me of identity management / authentication. These also are features, right? But I feel a lot better about delegating that feature to a business whose core competency is that (eg. Okta, Google, …). "Payment" also is a feature, but I'd never not use Stripe.
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nytesky 7y ago
Why or why is Apple keychain so limited. It is strictly for website address/passwords, so doesn't work for a more diverse robust security password manager. And the sync is very flaky (when I create items within the setting application, they don't show up on my phone). And its multi steps to simply launch keychain since its not a true native app on MacOS nor iOS.
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  I like that keychain is limited, at least it makes me feel like there’s fewer possible vulnerabilities. KeepassX and minikeepass on iOS are my go to for secure notes. I don’t see the need for super convenience with my credentials, I’m willing to do some work to access them. Either way, I’m not handing over a database of login info to a SaaS company. Might make sense for large companies though.
  - therealx 7y ago
    Except it's not limited? Have you ever opened "Keychain Access" on your Mac?
    - lotsofpulp 7y ago
      No! Wow, didn’t know it had more capabilities. But I use keepassX as it’s easier to create shared databases.

classified 7y ago

I'm inferring the same conclusion. The days of 1Password as one of the best password managers will soon be over.

asdff 7y ago

Like apple, firefox, google, etc... Once the big horses are in the game, it's over. You cannot overcome the brute force of production and cash. Just look at dropbox impoding.

benhurmarcel 7y ago
Another example is G Suite. They started as "Gmail with your own domain" and switched to a corporate Office suite. Now individuals that use them regret it more and more. At least password managers are easy to switch.