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Funny thing is, that although Google boasts about its racial and gender diversity, there is preciously little ideological diversity. And once people stray, they
by Hitton 7y ago
Funny thing is, that although Google boasts about its racial and gender diversity, there is preciously little ideological diversity. And once people stray, they must be purged.
- matwood 7y agoFor all the talk of inclusiveness today, there is actually very little empathy for groups not of your own (people really should watch This Is Water daily as a reminder). If a person doesn't believe exactly what you believe they must be a <insert hyperbolic label>. This destroys any real conversation around those topics, and I think ends up pushing normal people toward the fringes.
- JohnBooty 7y agoWhen people say this, I feel they're often thinking about the decreased tolerance for toxic views. Like that ex-Googler who got fired for repeatedly claiming that women were inferior engineers. There's been a decreased tolerance for... well, intolerance.
- thinkingemote 7y agoThe Googler got fired for using unhelpful stereotypes. He didn't repeatedly claim women were inferior engineers (but I understand why people will believe it). Nor was it in my opinion intolerant but it was championed by those who are (there's a difference). It was some other unhelpful stereotype based on gender differences. The key take away is that generalising based on group Identity should not be done.
- DagAgren 7y agoYeah, none of that is the case. The first thing he did after being fired was run to the far-right propaganda outlets. That was very telling of what he actually believed.
- indy 7y ago"far-right propaganda outlets"? This is very telling about what you actually believe
- dang 7y agoPlease don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Tyr42 7y agoYou mean the only people who seemed to show him any compassionate, reach out to him or not interpret his actions as negatively as possible are who he started to associate with? Mild shock
- DagAgren 7y agoIf a despicable person shows me kindness, I will not reciprocate. He did. That tells volumes about him.
- SquishyPanda23 7y agoDid you actually follow this? His rant was basically just of a list of stock arguments from the scientific racism era. After he got fired his fans started a fundraiser on a white supremacy website. His arguments were stock white supremacy and the people who adopted him as a hero were stock white supremacists. This isn't hard to figure out.
- thinkingemote 7y agoAs I wrote, I understand why people think this. I think it's more accurate to say his rant was a list from the era of a generation ago which might be the same as the scientific racism era? I don't know.
- mrrrgn 7y agoI'm trying to figure out what you mean by "white supremacy" because you use it so often it seems like something nebulous. -- So it seems that "white supremacy" is a catchall term for anything that argues a biological basis for group differences. Thank you for the links and for not just being aghast that I didn't know this. :]
- SquishyPanda23 7y agoI'm not sure if you're joking, but white supremacy has a long history and is extremely well documented. Wikipedia is a reasonable place to start
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- JohnBooty 7y agoWe'll Google it for you. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/James_Damore#Sex_and_drugs_and_the_KKK https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/James_Damore#Sex_and_drugs_and... RationalWiki has a very opinionated take on things, but that article is very well-sourced (75 linked sources!) so you can read right up. Now, it could fairly be said that his pro-KKK arguments were more "glib humor" than endorsement and I'd agree. I would also say it's part of the pattern of negative workplace behavior that got him terminated. In a larger sense, its these "oh, [group A] isn't performing as well as [group B]... must be biological differences" arguments that often form the faux-scientific basis for discrimination. Read any racist literature, and you will find a lot of "science" claiming that [insert racial group] here is biologically inferior. And, yes, that includes much Nazi propaganda.... justifications used by American slave-owners, etc.
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- barry-cotter 7y ago> Like that ex-Googler who got fired for repeatedly claiming that women were inferior engineers. Who? Please provide quotes to support your case if you’re thinking of the most famous example because I don’t recall any such argument. It was all about interests, not capacities.
- JohnBooty 7y agoSure, here's his original essay. https://web.archive.org/web/20170809220001/https://diversitymemo-static.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20170809220001/https://diversity...
- ThrowawayR2 7y agoAll the essay shows is that your representation of his beliefs is obviously false.
- DoofusOfDeath 7y agoDamore's essay seems to be a kind of Rorschach test. People sympathetic to Damore's views (or at least, to his approach to debate) seem to trust that he's arguing in good faith. People strongly opposed to his views seem to think he's being disingenuous.
- ThrowawayR2 7y agoIf those are my choices, I'd place myself in the "sympathetic with his approach to debate" bucket.
- DoofusOfDeath 7y agoFeel free to add to the list of choices. I didn't mean to create a false dichotomy.
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- dang 7y agoPlease don't take HN threads into ideological flamewar. Those are repetitive, tedious, and off topic. Especially the ones that have run a hundred or more times already. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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- auiya 7y ago> Google boasts about its racial and gender diversity Does it? Because the metrics it reported just this year says it's made up of mostly still white males. https://www.forbes.com/sites/janicegassam/2019/04/07/googles-2019-diversity-report-reveals-more-progress-must-be-made/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/janicegassam/2019/04/07/googles...
- downerending 7y agoEveryone should read their annual diversity report. Publishing their data is commendable, though they don't break it down far enough to be able to fully determine the intersectional proportions. As an example of what is in there, for their tech workforce, whites have declined from 57.8% to 43.5% in four years. (see page 33) You can decide for yourself whether this suggests racial bias in hiring. Download the PDF here: https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/diversity.google/en//static/pdf/Google_diversity_annual_report_2019.pdf https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/diversity.google/... edit: I was mistaken about the intersectional part. The corresponding stat for white males is a decline from 47.5% to 33.3% in four years. Stunning.
- manfredo 7y agoThis is their latest data: https://diversity.google/annual-report/ https://diversity.google/annual-report/ All roles: Asian, 43.9% Black, 4.8% Latin, 6.8% Native American, 1.1% White 48.5% Women: 33.2% Men: 66.8% Tech Roles: Asian, 51.8% Black, 2.8% Latin, 5.3% Native American, 0.8% White, 43.5% Women: 25.7% Men: 74.3%