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I love cow's milk but only buy local so I imagine this hurts large factory dairy farms. With that said, I doubt I could ever bring myself to stop drinking ethi
by kpU8efre7r 7y ago
I love cow's milk but only buy local so I imagine this hurts large factory dairy farms.
With that said, I doubt I could ever bring myself to stop drinking ethically sourced milk. All of these plant based milks are overly processed, expensive, and fortified with a bunch of nutrient junk that is lacking.
- tayleeganj 7y agothey just add Vit D right is that so bad?
- elhudy 7y ago...and dont get me started on the iodine added to my salt!
- kevin_thibedeau 7y agoThey aren't recapturing the cow farts.
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- mirekrusin 7y agoIt makes cows sad.
- MaximumYComb 7y agoB12 is a big one here too
- blondin 7y agowell, can't remember where i saw it but almond milk seemed to have been at the top spot for a while now.
- ilaksh 7y agoI love almond milk. Unfortunately, almonds are now evil. By the way, Goliath is a great show.
- igetspam 7y agoAlmond milk requires a lot of water to produce but it still take significantly less water to produce than cow milk. Even if you take into account the potential for meat (which is ridiculous because milling cows aren't typical steaks), the amount water used to sustain a cow (through drinking and watering plants) is huge. If your options are cow vs almond and you want to choose the lesser of evils and only care about the negatives of the almond (water) it's still less evil than cow milk.
- the_gastropod 7y ago> All of these plant based milks are overly processed, expensive, and fortified with a bunch of nutrient junk that is lacking. You can make your own very easily. Oat milk, for example, requires you to: 1. Put rolled oats into a blender 2. Put water in blender 3. Blend 4. Pour through a strainer into a container 5. Drink up It’s dirt cheap, easy as can be, tastes great, and has no “nutrient junk”. And if you’re so inclined, you can usually buy rolled oats in the bulk bins in most grocery stores, so you can cut out unnecessary packaging too! ETA: Putting a pitted date in for every ~2 cups of water also adds just enough sweetness to mimic the big manufacturers like Oatly and whatnot. Adding coconut flakes and/or cashews can also bump up the fattiness a bit, which is handy for a frothable “barista” style.
- bluedino 7y agoThat's also...not milk.
- Spivak 7y agoIt’s as much milk as turkey bacon is bacon. Food is labeled based on its culinary classification. Something can be culinarily milk without coming out of a teat.
- naniwaduni 7y agoThey're not even remotely substitutable. Different plant milks aren't even culinarily substitutable for each other. It's like substituting vinegar for cooking wine: broadly speaking, it'll usually work, but they're really not the same thing. "milk" is more of a visual descriptor than a culinary classification.
- rootw0rm 7y agoI don't know what kind of cooking you do, but in my kitchen substituting vinegar for wine would be considered food-crime.
- kawsper 7y agoDo you avoid dairy when eating out, or inquire the restaurant about where they buy it from?
- girvo 7y agoThis style of "gotcha" holier-than-thou bad-faith arguments frustrates me. One doesn't need to go from being a straight omnivore to a Level 5 vegan that doesn't eat anything with a shadow for changing a diet in large part being a good thing. Perfect is the enemy of the good in our line of work, what makes diet any different? One should strive to do the best they can within their location, health, dietary framework and ethical choices. It's as simple as that.
- kevin_thibedeau 7y agoThe problem is that orthorexics are enacting punitive policies that make it harder to buy cheaper food that is perfectly fine to consume.
- kian 7y agoorthorexia - what a fascinating word!
- mlthoughts2018 7y agoI disagree that plant based milks are overly processed or that, with fortification, the nutritional profile is significantly different than ethically sourced cow’s milk. I can agree that _some brands_ suffer the problems you mention, but other brands that are easy to find don’t differ significantly in nutrition profile or calorie density from cow’s milk. Unsweetened Oatly for instance matches up very well, with the most significant detractor being a bit less protein per serving than similar cow’s milk (but also the benefit of fewer calories per serving). I do agree that plant based milks are often more expensive though.
- MaximumYComb 7y agoA lot of them are fortified with nutrients that are lacking from a vegan diet, i.e. B12, D, etc. I don't think the nutrients in them are meant for most people but are meant for a certain demographic who consumes this product.
- TrisMcC 7y agoVitamin D is lacking in all diets. The only meat that has any measurable D is some fish but one cannot maintain an optimal level on fish alone. Dairy milk is commonly fortified with Vitamin D. Some mushrooms, if left in the sun, also have vitamin D. Vitamin D comes from the sun.
- consp 7y agoYou could try free roaming chicken eggs if you do not prefer fish or mushrooms. The yolk contains quite some vitamin D.
- htor 7y agobut, there is no harm in getting an extra b12 dose for meat consumers as well! plant-based milks are not meant only for plant-eaters (to put it simply) they are of course meant for everyone
- hervature 7y agoCow's milk is so processed that it needs to be refortified with vitamin D because it was destroyed in the process and the calcium would be useless without the added vitamin D.
- refurb 7y agoHuh? That’s not true at all. Vitamin D was added to milk as a part of public health policy to prevent rickets since milk consumption was near universal.[1] [1] https://phpa.health.maryland.gov/OEHFP/OFPCHS/Milk/Shared%20Documents/DPC053_Vitamin_AD_Fortification_Fluid_Milk.pdf https://phpa.health.maryland.gov/OEHFP/OFPCHS/Milk/Shared%20...
- hervature 7y agoOk, I admit, saying it gets destroyed was a poor choice of words. But from your article: >> Although milk as it comes from the cow is a poor source of vitamin D, fortified milk is considered an excellent source, especially because of its calcium content. Other foods considered good dietary sources of vitamin D are relatively rare but do include fatty fish, eggs and liver. Vitamin D is a fat-soluble vitamin. As for the "destroyed" part of my comment, I meant that both it and vitamin A are fat soluble. So when you "skim" the milk, you lose lots of the vitamins. You lose so much, that vitamin A has to be re-added. Again from your article: >> As skim and lower fat milks became popular, the reduction of vitamin A levels with fat reduction became an issue since whole milk was considered a good source of vitamin A. TL;DR - I should've said vitamin A but got lazy/greedy. Vitamin D, while subject to the same problem as vitamin A, is added as refurb explains.
- adtac 7y agoPeer-reviewed sources please? I'd love for this to be true, I can show this to anyone who brings up the "but what about all the vitamin D you're missing?" argument.
- hervature 7y agoSee refurb's sibling comment and my reply. They have the actual source.
- TheHypnotist 7y agoI prefer almond milk and have been drinking it for 5+ years now. Luckily most stores carry their own brand of Almond milk now which usually costs 25% less than Almond Breeze or a similar brand.
- jamil7 7y agoSorry but there is no such thing as ethical consumption of cow milk.
- corodra 7y agoThere's also no such thing as an ethical person. Somewhere on the economic scale, in any country, a person's happiness is derived from another's suffering. Africa's cocoa farming. Sugar cane farming and production. Foxconn treatment of workers on cellphones and other goods. Clothing and shoe worker treatment in China and Vietnam. Slave labor use in cobalt mining. But yea. I mean, let's gang up on cow farmers instead.
- sebsito 7y agoIt depends on your moral values which can be different. If you skip the simplification vegans are using to justify eating plants (they don't scream and run away when we're trying to eat them) you hardly can eat anything ethically.
- jamil7 7y agoPlants lack nerves or a central nervous system or the ability to directly react to their circumstances, at somepoint you have to draw a line somewhere and most draw the line there. Regardless, if you really believe that plants feel pain, you're killing a lot more of them by raising animals for dairy and meat.