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Disney is responsible for vast lobbying efforts to criminalize access to culture around intellectual property. Make the moral choice and pirate their content i

by cwkoss 7y ago

Disney is responsible for vast lobbying efforts to criminalize access to culture around intellectual property. Make the moral choice and pirate their content instead of giving them your money to fund further overreach.

mike_hock 7y ago
> Make the moral choice and pirate their content instead of giving them your money to fund further overreach. ... if you absolutely must have their crap in the first place.
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  Why make it nasty like that? If you’ve got a moral objection why do you need to criticise them personally like that as well? I don’t understand why people feel the need to be so aggressive.
- cwkoss 7y ago
  Tangential, but does anyone know of good hardware to function as a standalone HDMI output video server? I've been wanting to play with making a 'plug and play' box that I could give to kids/grandparents in my life who don't have the technical skills to pirate for themselves, preloaded with content I think is good and they'd enjoy. What is the cheapest hardware that can output arbitrary 1080p video over HDMI at a good frame-rate? Bonus points for having a good chunk of integrated storage and/or bundled with remote control. I bought one of those cheap tiny PCs but the video card wasn't up to the task.
  - proverbialbunny 7y ago
    Arguably, buying a smart tv is the cheapest way to go. There is the Pi 4, which once all the parts and shipping are put together about $80. Though, eh.. imho it's better if you get one of the Intel Nucs. They can be had for around $200 and are quite good.
    - SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
      Indeed. Smart TV and a load of movies on a USB HDD. Works for my elderly in-laws.
  - samplatt 7y ago
    Google ChromeCast is the usual solution for this. ~$50, the size of a hockey puck, needs a phone-charger for a power plug, and does HDMI-out. Turns your TV into a YouTube/Netflix/Spotify/Hulu, and the remote-control is your phone. If by "arbitrary 1080p content", you mean a collection of media files of your own, I'd get a Raspberry Pi 3B+ kit for $50, plug in a large external HDD or two, and setup a Plex server.
    - cwkoss 7y ago
      Thanks, I'll try a Pi 3B+, have only played with the 1 and 2.
  - sowbug 7y ago
    About $21 shipped: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32960646521.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32960646521.html
markdown 7y ago
> Make the moral choice and pirate their content instead of giving them your money to fund further overreach. I was going to pirate The Mandalorian because "Sorry, Disney+ is not available in your country", but I like your reason better. Justification upgraded.
edoceo 7y ago
Wouldn't the moral choice be to just not watch? Isn't piracy stealing? Morally: don't buy it, don't steal it and also don't view it. Reward other content providers and reduce the relevance of Disney.
- cwkoss 7y ago
  Piracy isn't stealing, that's intellectual property lobbyist propaganda. I would happily download a car: zero cost reproduction of useful things makes society as a whole richer. The content industry needs to figure out a new business model to adapt to the information age, and the longer people pay for digital content the more funds these outdated relics will have for legislating a moat around their "property". I'd much prefer a kickstarter or patreon-like model where superfans could fund and watch and participate in development.
  - edoceo 7y ago
    I agree with the philosophy. But look: MS, ORACLE, Disney all produce easily replicatable product. And currently, laws and licensing they sell under say, effectively, pay us. If you take the thing they want to legally charge for then that is theft. And if what you want is a new model in a brave New world then one must take the effort. Be the change you want to see. Not by simply stealing from those you disagree with, philosophically, but by disregarding them completely. And then rewarding those that also participate in your same perspective. It's hard. But I can't justify theft just caused they're assholes. Eventually everyone's the asshole.
  - planetzero 7y ago
    "Piracy isn't stealing, that's intellectual property lobbyist propaganda." You're correct, but it's worse than theft. When you steal a car, just that car is stolen. Piracy devalues the original product...something theft can't really ever do. "I would happily download a car: zero cost reproduction of useful things makes society as a whole richer." But how much did it cost to produce the first car? and do you actually think anyone would put that much time and effort into the first car if they didn't a way to make a profit or at least their money back? In your world, technology will only go so far..which is a disservice to humanity. "The content industry needs to figure out a new business model to adapt to the information age" They have: streaming services. Your mentality is why we will only have services that we pay for in the future and won't be able to install software or get a Blue ray. "I'd much prefer a kickstarter or patreon-like model where superfans could fund and watch and participate in development." Which wouldn't even get close to the amount of money needed to develop this kind of content. You aren't being rebellious. You are just giving excuses as to why you would rather just download something for free instead of paying for it. I remember in the 90s the excuse du jour for music piracy was that it would help independent artists. It's only made it so most independent artists can't really make a living anymore and pushed everything to large corporations.
dehrmann 7y ago
I'm fine with the effort they go to to defend Mickey Mouse. Other than Steamboat Willie (which I haven't actually seen) and Fantasia, I can't name any other appearances of his, but he's still Kardashian-famous. This is only because Disney built him up as a brand and continues investing in him, and he's synonymous with Disney. Outside of fair use and parody, Disney has earned the right to use that IP as they please.

by cwkoss 7y ago

mike_hock 7y ago

> Make the moral choice and pirate their content instead of giving them your money to fund further overreach. ... if you absolutely must have their crap in the first place.

chrisseaton 7y ago
Why make it nasty like that? If you’ve got a moral objection why do you need to criticise them personally like that as well? I don’t understand why people feel the need to be so aggressive.
cwkoss 7y ago
Tangential, but does anyone know of good hardware to function as a standalone HDMI output video server? I've been wanting to play with making a 'plug and play' box that I could give to kids/grandparents in my life who don't have the technical skills to pirate for themselves, preloaded with content I think is good and they'd enjoy. What is the cheapest hardware that can output arbitrary 1080p video over HDMI at a good frame-rate? Bonus points for having a good chunk of integrated storage and/or bundled with remote control. I bought one of those cheap tiny PCs but the video card wasn't up to the task.
- proverbialbunny 7y ago
  Arguably, buying a smart tv is the cheapest way to go. There is the Pi 4, which once all the parts and shipping are put together about $80. Though, eh.. imho it's better if you get one of the Intel Nucs. They can be had for around $200 and are quite good.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
    Indeed. Smart TV and a load of movies on a USB HDD. Works for my elderly in-laws.
- samplatt 7y ago
  Google ChromeCast is the usual solution for this. ~$50, the size of a hockey puck, needs a phone-charger for a power plug, and does HDMI-out. Turns your TV into a YouTube/Netflix/Spotify/Hulu, and the remote-control is your phone. If by "arbitrary 1080p content", you mean a collection of media files of your own, I'd get a Raspberry Pi 3B+ kit for $50, plug in a large external HDD or two, and setup a Plex server.
  - cwkoss 7y ago
    Thanks, I'll try a Pi 3B+, have only played with the 1 and 2.
- sowbug 7y ago
  About $21 shipped: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32960646521.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32960646521.html

markdown 7y ago

> Make the moral choice and pirate their content instead of giving them your money to fund further overreach. I was going to pirate The Mandalorian because "Sorry, Disney+ is not available in your country", but I like your reason better. Justification upgraded.

edoceo 7y ago

Wouldn't the moral choice be to just not watch? Isn't piracy stealing? Morally: don't buy it, don't steal it and also don't view it. Reward other content providers and reduce the relevance of Disney.

cwkoss 7y ago
Piracy isn't stealing, that's intellectual property lobbyist propaganda. I would happily download a car: zero cost reproduction of useful things makes society as a whole richer. The content industry needs to figure out a new business model to adapt to the information age, and the longer people pay for digital content the more funds these outdated relics will have for legislating a moat around their "property". I'd much prefer a kickstarter or patreon-like model where superfans could fund and watch and participate in development.
- edoceo 7y ago
  I agree with the philosophy. But look: MS, ORACLE, Disney all produce easily replicatable product. And currently, laws and licensing they sell under say, effectively, pay us. If you take the thing they want to legally charge for then that is theft. And if what you want is a new model in a brave New world then one must take the effort. Be the change you want to see. Not by simply stealing from those you disagree with, philosophically, but by disregarding them completely. And then rewarding those that also participate in your same perspective. It's hard. But I can't justify theft just caused they're assholes. Eventually everyone's the asshole.
- planetzero 7y ago
  "Piracy isn't stealing, that's intellectual property lobbyist propaganda." You're correct, but it's worse than theft. When you steal a car, just that car is stolen. Piracy devalues the original product...something theft can't really ever do. "I would happily download a car: zero cost reproduction of useful things makes society as a whole richer." But how much did it cost to produce the first car? and do you actually think anyone would put that much time and effort into the first car if they didn't a way to make a profit or at least their money back? In your world, technology will only go so far..which is a disservice to humanity. "The content industry needs to figure out a new business model to adapt to the information age" They have: streaming services. Your mentality is why we will only have services that we pay for in the future and won't be able to install software or get a Blue ray. "I'd much prefer a kickstarter or patreon-like model where superfans could fund and watch and participate in development." Which wouldn't even get close to the amount of money needed to develop this kind of content. You aren't being rebellious. You are just giving excuses as to why you would rather just download something for free instead of paying for it. I remember in the 90s the excuse du jour for music piracy was that it would help independent artists. It's only made it so most independent artists can't really make a living anymore and pushed everything to large corporations.

dehrmann 7y ago

I'm fine with the effort they go to to defend Mickey Mouse. Other than Steamboat Willie (which I haven't actually seen) and Fantasia, I can't name any other appearances of his, but he's still Kardashian-famous. This is only because Disney built him up as a brand and continues investing in him, and he's synonymous with Disney. Outside of fair use and parody, Disney has earned the right to use that IP as they please.