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My initial response to your comment was "but then the page requires JS", which of course is not true, since a simple inline form could POST and then a redirect

by afraca 7y ago

My initial response to your comment was "but then the page requires JS", which of course is not true, since a simple inline form could POST and then a redirect could get you back. I'm no webdev, I think JS has been hyped so much around me I forgot plain html can actually do things...

iCarrot 7y ago
The correct response is "but then I need a webpage/separate tool". When all API are GETs, the browser, which is likely to be open when you read this, is all you need.
- phoe-krk 7y ago
  > When all API are GETs, the browser, which is likely to be open when you read this, is all you need. And your service is also incorrect due to the issues with side-effects mentioned elsewhere in the thread.
  - iCarrot 7y ago
    It depends on how you interpret correctness. RFC 2616 9.1.1 also used "SHOULD NOT" and not "MUST NOT", indicating that there are valid use cases. The issue is about whether your users are aware of (and are responsible for) the side-effect or not. In this case they are.
    - oefrha 7y ago
      Except when GET has side effects, one can embed the URL in an img tag and visitors would be triggering that side effect unknowingly. One can do this on most public forums. So no, users may not be aware.
      - iCarrot 7y ago
        What you just described is actually a web beacon [1], in which case the one that embed the URL is the user (and not the one who load the <img>). Web beacon can be used to implement useful thing like visitor counter service [2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_beacon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_beacon [2]: https://www.hitwebcounter.com/ https://www.hitwebcounter.com/
        oefrha 7y ago
        It's also "useful" for cross-site request forgery.
        iCarrot 7y ago
        Cross-site request forgery is only "useful" in auth context. There is no auth in Volatile, nor in the hit counter.
- theon144 7y ago
  Contrary to popular belief, the browser can perform POSTs as well as GETs. An inline form on the webpage that POSTs the result is not a "webpage/separate tool". Option 2 would be to use the browser's dev console.
  - iCarrot 7y ago
    You need a webpage to have an inline form, which you need to create somehow. Compare that to just opening a new tab and type in an URL. The dev console is a separate tool. And I'm still sure it is much quicker and easier to open a new tab and type in an URL, than to do a POST with dev console.
michaelmior 7y ago
Unfortunately Volatile doesn't seem to support redirects.

by afraca 7y ago

iCarrot 7y ago

The correct response is "but then I need a webpage/separate tool". When all API are GETs, the browser, which is likely to be open when you read this, is all you need.

phoe-krk 7y ago
> When all API are GETs, the browser, which is likely to be open when you read this, is all you need. And your service is also incorrect due to the issues with side-effects mentioned elsewhere in the thread.
- iCarrot 7y ago
  It depends on how you interpret correctness. RFC 2616 9.1.1 also used "SHOULD NOT" and not "MUST NOT", indicating that there are valid use cases. The issue is about whether your users are aware of (and are responsible for) the side-effect or not. In this case they are.
  - oefrha 7y ago
    Except when GET has side effects, one can embed the URL in an img tag and visitors would be triggering that side effect unknowingly. One can do this on most public forums. So no, users may not be aware.
    - iCarrot 7y ago
      What you just described is actually a web beacon [1], in which case the one that embed the URL is the user (and not the one who load the <img>). Web beacon can be used to implement useful thing like visitor counter service [2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_beacon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_beacon [2]: https://www.hitwebcounter.com/ https://www.hitwebcounter.com/
      - oefrha 7y ago
        It's also "useful" for cross-site request forgery.
        iCarrot 7y ago
        Cross-site request forgery is only "useful" in auth context. There is no auth in Volatile, nor in the hit counter.
theon144 7y ago
Contrary to popular belief, the browser can perform POSTs as well as GETs. An inline form on the webpage that POSTs the result is not a "webpage/separate tool". Option 2 would be to use the browser's dev console.
- iCarrot 7y ago
  You need a webpage to have an inline form, which you need to create somehow. Compare that to just opening a new tab and type in an URL. The dev console is a separate tool. And I'm still sure it is much quicker and easier to open a new tab and type in an URL, than to do a POST with dev console.

michaelmior 7y ago

Unfortunately Volatile doesn't seem to support redirects.