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Isn't that sort of thing pretty normal? ABC won't let Netflix run ads. Companies usually don't run advertising for their direct competitors.

by lacker 7y ago

jetrink 7y ago
The behavior is the same, but the situations are different. ABC is a second-tier television network struggling for survival while Facebook is the dominant social network company and is abusing its position to stifle competition.
- Karunamon 7y ago
  I don't think that changes anything. There's plenty of other illegal, monopolistic behavior to pick at here without demanding that ad companies run ads for their direct competitors.
- mc32 7y ago
  It was the case when there were only three major national networks as well. That said, google is in a different business. Their ranking should be fair (aside for their paid rankings). In this case they should not be favoring themselves over others, that’s to say they should not artificially bury competitors in the fair ranking.
- matthewrobertso 7y ago
  ABC is a second-tier television network owned by The Walt Disney Company, one of the largest media and entertainment companies in the world, operating a vast international industry of television networks, film studios, and theme parks.
  - the_watcher 7y ago
    And is about to launch a direct competitor to Netflix.
- the_watcher 7y ago
  ABC, the network that is literally available for free via an HDMI antennae, does not care about Netflix. Disney, arguably the single biggest company in entertainment or media and ABC's parent, is about to launch a direct competitor to Netflix. Which party is more likely to be driving the decision not to air Netflix ads.
mantoto 7y ago
A free market should regulate itself. A company like Facebook can regulate the market. That's when it becomes a problem.
- joe_the_user 7y ago
  I don't think Facebook has a monopoly on eye-ball shares in particular. They might have monopoly on social networking as such but given they're not the only thing a person will see in a day by a long-shot, I can't see how they're being more anti-competitive than a TV network (which also has a large but limited share of views).
  - paganel 7y ago
    > They might have monopoly on social networking as such but given they're not the only thing a person will see in a day by a long-shot, I can't see how they're being more anti-competitive than a TV network Almost no-one bellow the age of 40 cares about TV anymore (apart from sports events), you're pretty off on this one.
    - joe_the_user 7y ago
      Uh, even if you're right, the US is full of the 40+ people and their eye balls are high monetizable. Even more, TV networks are just an example and it is fricken obvious that Facebook doesn't have an advertising monopoly in the US or world-wide.
- bduerst 7y ago
  Facebook can not regulate the market when it only controls 19% of it.
- laughingbovine 7y ago
  > A free market should regulate itself. Hoo boy. I agree it totally should. Been waiting for a while on that one though...
  - 7y ago
phjesusthatguy3 7y ago
CBS All Access is running ads for Apple TV+
- josteink 7y ago
  That’s because Apple TV+ is a joke right now and literally a threat to no one. Why not take the money and seem like a good sport while you’re at it?
- scrumbledober 7y ago
  As is Hulu, owned by Disney. I actually saw the other day a Disney+ ad directly follow an Apple TV+ ad.
paganel 7y ago
> ABC won't let Netflix run ads I suspect Netflix can run its ads on other TV channels (and if they can't/aren't allowed that's a problem in itself). As far as I can tell Facebook is the only place in town when it comes to social networks in the Western world, and it's a pretty big town, so to speak. As such, FB not letting a company like Google to advertise its services on this "only place in town" proves that either the town needs expanding (quite a difficult thing to do, as pretty much the whole current "town" population is pretty saturated with these FB-only products) or the "place" needs breaking up, i.e. Facebook needs to be split into different social networks.

Isn't that sort of thing pretty normal? ABC won't let Netflix run ads. Companies usually don't run advertising for their direct competitors.

by lacker 7y ago

Isn't that sort of thing pretty normal? ABC won't let Netflix run ads. Companies usually don't run advertising for their direct competitors.

jetrink 7y ago

The behavior is the same, but the situations are different. ABC is a second-tier television network struggling for survival while Facebook is the dominant social network company and is abusing its position to stifle competition.

Karunamon 7y ago
I don't think that changes anything. There's plenty of other illegal, monopolistic behavior to pick at here without demanding that ad companies run ads for their direct competitors.
mc32 7y ago
It was the case when there were only three major national networks as well. That said, google is in a different business. Their ranking should be fair (aside for their paid rankings). In this case they should not be favoring themselves over others, that’s to say they should not artificially bury competitors in the fair ranking.
matthewrobertso 7y ago
ABC is a second-tier television network owned by The Walt Disney Company, one of the largest media and entertainment companies in the world, operating a vast international industry of television networks, film studios, and theme parks.
- the_watcher 7y ago
  And is about to launch a direct competitor to Netflix.
the_watcher 7y ago
ABC, the network that is literally available for free via an HDMI antennae, does not care about Netflix. Disney, arguably the single biggest company in entertainment or media and ABC's parent, is about to launch a direct competitor to Netflix. Which party is more likely to be driving the decision not to air Netflix ads.

mantoto 7y ago

A free market should regulate itself. A company like Facebook can regulate the market. That's when it becomes a problem.

joe_the_user 7y ago
I don't think Facebook has a monopoly on eye-ball shares in particular. They might have monopoly on social networking as such but given they're not the only thing a person will see in a day by a long-shot, I can't see how they're being more anti-competitive than a TV network (which also has a large but limited share of views).
- paganel 7y ago
  > They might have monopoly on social networking as such but given they're not the only thing a person will see in a day by a long-shot, I can't see how they're being more anti-competitive than a TV network Almost no-one bellow the age of 40 cares about TV anymore (apart from sports events), you're pretty off on this one.
  - joe_the_user 7y ago
    Uh, even if you're right, the US is full of the 40+ people and their eye balls are high monetizable. Even more, TV networks are just an example and it is fricken obvious that Facebook doesn't have an advertising monopoly in the US or world-wide.
bduerst 7y ago
Facebook can not regulate the market when it only controls 19% of it.
laughingbovine 7y ago
> A free market should regulate itself. Hoo boy. I agree it totally should. Been waiting for a while on that one though...
- 7y ago

phjesusthatguy3 7y ago

CBS All Access is running ads for Apple TV+

josteink 7y ago
That’s because Apple TV+ is a joke right now and literally a threat to no one. Why not take the money and seem like a good sport while you’re at it?
scrumbledober 7y ago
As is Hulu, owned by Disney. I actually saw the other day a Disney+ ad directly follow an Apple TV+ ad.

paganel 7y ago

> ABC won't let Netflix run ads I suspect Netflix can run its ads on other TV channels (and if they can't/aren't allowed that's a problem in itself). As far as I can tell Facebook is the only place in town when it comes to social networks in the Western world, and it's a pretty big town, so to speak. As such, FB not letting a company like Google to advertise its services on this "only place in town" proves that either the town needs expanding (quite a difficult thing to do, as pretty much the whole current "town" population is pretty saturated with these FB-only products) or the "place" needs breaking up, i.e. Facebook needs to be split into different social networks.