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No, we should do a second vote, maybe even a third vote in case the second vote result is wrong again as the first one. Sometimes democracy doesn't work you kn

by devtul 7y ago

No, we should do a second vote, maybe even a third vote in case the second vote result is wrong again as the first one. Sometimes democracy doesn't work you know, so we have to try harder.

skissane 7y ago
A majority of people voted to leave the EU. They didn't (at the ballot box) express any opinion on how to leave the EU – deal or no-deal, hard Brexit or soft Brexit, etc. If having an initial referendum on whether to leave was the right thing to do, why would not a further referendum to decide how to leave be equally right? It could take the form of an up-down vote on Johnson's deal; or, it could take the form of preferential (1, 2, 3, etc – as in instant run-off) voting on options – e.g. leave with May's original deal, leave with Johnson's new deal, leave with no deal, withdraw article 50, ask for another extension to negotiate further. Some will argue that the coming general election is an up-down vote on Johnson's deal. However, it isn't in that it is a first-past-the-post contest between different parties in each constituency – a majority of the vote might be received by parties opposed to Johnson's deal, yet the Tory candidate might still be returned due to the majority against them being split. A referendum on the deal itself wouldn't be faced with that issue.
- Zenst 7y ago
  Yes the whole aspect that a democratic result done upon proportional representation could be overturned by split votes and more so a voting system that is regional. Does make you wonder. Since the referendum we have had a GE a EuroMP election and now...another GE. With only the referendum and the EuroMP being done on the proportional representation system. Sad thing is, had David Cameron got the EU to agree to reform, things would of been much different. Which is ironic as Mr Macron is keen to see reform, with even Donald Tusk not long after the referendum saying that the EU needed reform. Ironic as that reform is on hold, until the UK leaves. That's sad as in all this time, the EU could of outlined some reforms and the whole reason to have a revote upon the leave/stay would of been more palatable as things had/was changing. Bit like saying your going to quit a game due to some imbalance that has gone on for ages that you don't like, and before you quit, they say they are going to address the issue. So you may well change your mind. However you look at it though - a lot of people got way more politically educated over the past two years. Be interesting how that pans out over time.
- raxxorrax 7y ago
  Even other countries had a lot of votes against further integrating the Union. Since the last 30 years of policy were in the exact opposite direction with limited success, I think it would indeed be time to at least explore other options.
lanevorockz 7y ago
And a third and a fourth because it’s only right when the rich people say so

by devtul 7y ago

No, we should do a second vote, maybe even a third vote in case the second vote result is wrong again as the first one. Sometimes democracy doesn't work you know, so we have to try harder.

skissane 7y ago

A majority of people voted to leave the EU. They didn't (at the ballot box) express any opinion on how to leave the EU – deal or no-deal, hard Brexit or soft Brexit, etc. If having an initial referendum on whether to leave was the right thing to do, why would not a further referendum to decide how to leave be equally right? It could take the form of an up-down vote on Johnson's deal; or, it could take the form of preferential (1, 2, 3, etc – as in instant run-off) voting on options – e.g. leave with May's original deal, leave with Johnson's new deal, leave with no deal, withdraw article 50, ask for another extension to negotiate further. Some will argue that the coming general election is an up-down vote on Johnson's deal. However, it isn't in that it is a first-past-the-post contest between different parties in each constituency – a majority of the vote might be received by parties opposed to Johnson's deal, yet the Tory candidate might still be returned due to the majority against them being split. A referendum on the deal itself wouldn't be faced with that issue.

Zenst 7y ago
Yes the whole aspect that a democratic result done upon proportional representation could be overturned by split votes and more so a voting system that is regional. Does make you wonder. Since the referendum we have had a GE a EuroMP election and now...another GE. With only the referendum and the EuroMP being done on the proportional representation system. Sad thing is, had David Cameron got the EU to agree to reform, things would of been much different. Which is ironic as Mr Macron is keen to see reform, with even Donald Tusk not long after the referendum saying that the EU needed reform. Ironic as that reform is on hold, until the UK leaves. That's sad as in all this time, the EU could of outlined some reforms and the whole reason to have a revote upon the leave/stay would of been more palatable as things had/was changing. Bit like saying your going to quit a game due to some imbalance that has gone on for ages that you don't like, and before you quit, they say they are going to address the issue. So you may well change your mind. However you look at it though - a lot of people got way more politically educated over the past two years. Be interesting how that pans out over time.
raxxorrax 7y ago
Even other countries had a lot of votes against further integrating the Union. Since the last 30 years of policy were in the exact opposite direction with limited success, I think it would indeed be time to at least explore other options.

lanevorockz 7y ago

And a third and a fourth because it’s only right when the rich people say so