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• TylerE 7y ago
  It's probably closer to 100%. People quit bosses, not jobs.
  • noitsnot 7y ago
    That's a nice meme from LinkedIn but I'm sure there a few other reasons including a better paycheck, flexibility, or even benefits.
    • ryandrake 7y ago
      > paycheck, flexibility, or even benefits At many, many companies, your manager directly decides or at least influences all three of these, so if you quit due to them, you're also quitting because of your manager.
      • majormajor 7y ago
        Few direct managers have the ability to give you a raise that a new employer would, in cases where you're being underpaid relative to the market. They also rarely have much influence over work flexibility or benefits.
        • steelframe 7y ago
          > Few direct managers have the ability to give you a raise that a new employer would I'm usually very up-front with my reports on this. I make it very clear that I cannot compete with other companies on an immediate short-term compensation bump, so if they prioritize "money now" over everything else, then they should go out and interview. However in the four years that I was a manager at my previous company, nobody on my team ever took me up on the advice to switch companies to get more money faster.
          • const_throwaway 7y ago
            >immediate short-term compensation bump Did you believe you could deliver better long term compensation? This phrasing suggests that, it's a clever way to suggest something without promising it.
            • steelframe 7y ago
              > Did you believe you could deliver better long term compensation? Usually, but not always. Of course it's impossible to predict 4+ years into the future, because so many factors can come into play on that time scale.
  • emeraldd 7y ago
    External forces (spouse moving, money, other life changes) would be the other big factors. It's going to come down on one side of that fence or the other.
  • JohnFen 7y ago
    That's a cute saying, but it's not a universal truth. I have quit bosses before. But I have also quit jobs where I had excellent bosses before, because the job (or the company) had problems.
• ergothus 7y ago
  It also depends on how the question is asked. I've left jobs where I respected my manager...but not someone higher up the chain. At least once the manager left almost immediately after I did, for the same reasons.
  • jghn 7y ago
    This is a good point. I’ve never left due to a direct manager but definitely have left due to leadership above them
• mcv 7y ago
  I haven't. I was once fired because of my idiot boss. I didn't quit. Maybe I should have, but getting fired meant I could fight it just enough to get some severance pay out of it. He fired me the day I returned from a month long illness. Before that, he was sometimes annoyed he saw me leaning back while watching my scripts write my code for me. None of the jobs I quit were because of my boss. One was because I really needed to do something more interesting than maintaining a bunch of legacy sites. One where I volunteered to get fired was because I wanted to start my own company.
• grahamburger 7y ago
  I've never quit because of a manager. Maybe I'm just lucky. I've been able to work reasonably well with all of my managers, even the ones who saw things very differently from how I do. I've only ever quit a company because I had a better offer and they wouldn't match it.
• Bootwizard 7y ago
  I left my very first job out of college because of it. I think you're probably right. I'm glad I got it out of the way early, I'm a few years into my next job now and loving it.
• apple4ever 7y ago
  I think all of the jobs I've left since I graduated College 15 years ago were because of managers, except the very first one.