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A better way would be build a campus in a cheapper place and offer benefits for works to move to this places. Continental US is full of dying cities that need
by major505 7y ago
A better way would be build a campus in a cheapper place and offer benefits for works to move to this places.
Continental US is full of dying cities that need a stead source of income that big companies like Apple, google could supply. In the day and age of remote work and comunication, there`s no more escuses to concentrate resources in places like California, NY, etc.
- basq 7y agoAgreed. As someone who has lived in CA all thier life, I'm afraid of leaving, because of lack of opportunity elsewhere, but the cost of living here is absurd. My rent constitutes 75%(!!) of my monthly expenses.
- Ygg2 7y ago> In the day and age of remote work and comunication, there`s no more escuses to concentrate resources in places like California, NY, etc. What about infrastructure and clients?
- major505 7y agoGoogle is providing internet using ballons. My guess is that extending fiber optic networks would be a cheapper option. Infrastructure can always be build, and cities are willing ti give fat tax cut to companies that bring this kind of infra and jobs to it. Lets be honest: is cheapper to build an data center in a more distant citie than spend time, money and energie trying to covince San Francisco buroucrats to change its zonning laws.
- luckydata 7y agoBalloons are a cockamame scheme that never made sense. In the US if you have the need it's always cheaper to just run a cable, in the great scheme of things it's not that hard to do, we have millions of miles of cables everywhere.
- beambot 7y ago> My guess is that extending fiber optic networks Google tried that: Google Fiber. Apparently it wasn't economical. > In October 2016, all expansion plans were put on hold and some jobs were cut. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Fiber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Fiber
- lurker458 7y agoOr it was started to improve their bargaining position against ISPs, and was dropped in return for additional concessions.
- toast0 7y agoIt's not that running fiber wasn't economical. It's that overbuilding a fiber network when there's already a telco and a cable network isn't very economical. It is a pretty good way to convince the incumbents to upgrade to gigabit available speeds though, which makes overbuilding even less economical, but does solve the original problem of slow last mile connections.
- cartoonworld 7y agoYes, its almost like those cash strapped, barely profitable telcos have to save all their pinched pennies for they day they need to out compete a legitimate, newcoming competitor's build out. Clearly the free market is working wonders for the totally competitive telecom industry. I mean Verizon and Comcast are just neck and neck! look at em go! I can't stop remembering all those dark fiber stories from a bunch of years ago... All these dotcom dark fiber bundles must have just worn out from throwing off all that competitive white light/white heat in the last 20 years.
- toast0 7y agoI'm honestly not sure if you're agreeing with me or not. There's really too much sarcasm in that post. I think you and I agree that the local telco/cableco duopoly is not usually meaningfully competitive among themselves, but does effectively prevent new entrants in most markets. Dark fiber is great, but it solves long distance access issues, not last mile residential access issues. Long distance networking is actually subject to pretty healthy competition, if you can get to your local internet exchange, you'll have a wide variety of carriers that can get you anywhere else.
- satya71 7y agoThere's plenty of infrastructure where I am in a suburb of St Louis. We could also use some liberal SV people to help tip the politics the right way in my county. We have a few clients here too, they are not all on the coasts. Many mid-market companies have left California because their margins can't sustain the cost of operations.
- major505 7y agoI have a feeling that once liberals of the coast go to the inner country they will problably start being more conservative. Small cities have a bigger sense of comunity, form bigger families, and that tends to lean to conservative spectrum. Also the lower cost of living will problably incentive liberals couples to have more children and maay tip the tendency and help ewnew american population.
- solidsnack9000 7y agoThat is why liberals of the coast all move together to Austin, and recreate the high housing prices, homelessness and strangely obstructive building situation.
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- harambaebae69 7y agoColorado [0] and Idaho have this going on as well in conjunction with miniature tech booms. Although probably not to the same extent as Austin. [0] https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2017/12/15/colorado-has-become-east-california/ https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2017/12/15/colorado-has...
- solidsnack9000 7y agoIt would actually be the wrong way to tip the politics. California is not unaffordable because of an absence of deeply leftist sentiment.
- chrisjc 7y ago$2.5 billion could begin to address that...
- magashna 7y agoBring back serfdoms!
- i_call_solo 7y agoYes because Apply offering housing to their engineers making 20x the average American's salary is just like serfdom... If McDonalds starts doing it then maybe I'll feel a bit more outraged.
- solidsnack9000 7y agoThe formalization started in the connection between lords and their retainers. Gradually every other kind of tenancy was subsumed by it. It didn’t happen all at once — the high value relationships were, naturally, the ones that got formalized first.
- pascalxus 7y agoAbsolutely! I wish those companies would get this more. It's time to move those jobs to places that appreciate growth, places that want growth and deserve growth.
- PretzelFisch 7y agoOnce they get growth the same kind of people crop up trying to stop it. Look at other areas getting new growth you see the same stuff as the bay area its just not 40 years old.
- sdinsn 7y ago> A better way would be build a campus in a cheapper place and offer benefits for works to move to this places. I would support that, but however, there is a vocal minority that complains that it's 'gentrification', since it has the side effect of raising the cost of living.
- zepto 7y agoThat’s why we have high housing prices in the Bay Area to begin with.
- jjtheblunt 7y agoI don't understand why you say Apple and Google could supply such, because I am guessing (sadly) that even their deep coffers are tiny in comparison to how much money it would take to fund such fixes.
- gscott 7y agoLike Stripe is doing!
- RandallBrown 7y agoThe main reason that resources are concentrated in those places is because they're nicer places to live. You would have to pay me an absurd amount of money to move back to the midwest. Not everyone has the same priorities as me, but I think it's a mistake to think people are only moving to those places because of jobs.
- erikpukinskis 7y agoThat’s an absurd claim. “Niceness of place” is far from the only criterion people use to choose where to live. It’s probably not even in the top 5 actually. Proximity to jobs, proximity to family, cost of living, whether you can legally work there, and safety all trump “niceness of place” for a majority of buyers/renters.
- nradov 7y agoThere are millions of people who would prefer to live in the Midwest if they could. It takes all kinds.
- booi 7y agoYes but the cross-section of people who prefer to live in the midwest and talented engineers is much smaller and the main reason why it's difficult to do that.
- paulie_a 7y agoChicago and Milwaukee. Madison Detroit. There are plenty of tech hubs throughout the country. Sv isn't special anymore. You might not want to live in the Midwest. But plenty of talented people do. I would want a 7 figure salary to live in sv for many obvious reasons
- shard972 7y agoAnd yet as one of the people you describe, you can't find a single tech job in the midwest.
- GhostVII 7y agoI think most companies are no longer expanding much in the bay area, but if you already have a lot of employees there it's pretty hard to convince them to move. Once you have a house and a family it doesn't make much sense to move away. And since there are so many people who have a life in the bay area, it makes sense to maintain a presence so you have access to that local talent which isn't willing to leave.