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I on the other hand think that splitting countries into allies and enemies is stupid. China is a huge country, and excluding a billion people from your company

I on the other hand think that splitting countries into allies and enemies is stupid. China is a huge country, and excluding a billion people from your company just because their government does questionable things sounds like a pretty bad idea. If you are really concerned about the confidentiality of your data, don't store it unencrypted in some SaaS where every customer service rep has full access to all your data. At that point you're already so vulnerable that exluding potenential employees from a whole country is just pointless security theater that some suit with an MBA thought up to justify his position.

momirlan 7y ago
Trolling much? I expect a lot of Chinese rationalizing why this is a bad idea. After all, you get good social points for supporting the Party. Otherwise...
mschuster91 7y ago
> I on the other hand think that splitting countries into allies and enemies is stupid. China is a huge country, and excluding a billion people from your company just because their government does questionable things sounds like a pretty bad idea. There are only two ways left for China getting rid of its dictator government. The first one is flattening China with nuclear weapons (conventional war is impossible to win) which is obviously inacceptable, the second one is totally excluding China from any and all international trade. The third way (trade brings democracy) has been disproven over the last decades. Even worse, the Chinese dicatorship has taken our weapon of free trade and turned it against us. Our domestic production of many goods has completely shifted to China, our failure to treat Africa decently instead of using it as dumping ground for excess food and clothing has led to China filling the investment void and to top it off China has been using our money to buy up our companies and leverage that to shut down democratic protest (think of the Blizzard fuckup). China is an enemy and should be treated as such if the Western world wants to survive instead of turning a blind eye towards genocide (e.g. the Muslim Gulags).
- pbhjpbhj 7y ago
  Are you in USA? Should other countries refuse to employ USA citizens because of actions of the government - things like pulling out of Syria to enable the Turkish murder of the Kurds to continue. >China has been using our money ... The best way is to vote with your money then?
  - mschuster91 7y ago
    > Are you in USA? No, Germany, which also faces massive problems with Chinese buy-outs and industrial spionage. > Should other countries refuse to employ USA citizens because of actions of the government - things like pulling out of Syria to enable the Turkish murder of the Kurds to continue. I would wish so, but I'm realistic enough to know no government wants to put themselves into the spotlight of Trump's Twitter account and trade war threats. >> China has been using our money ... > The best way is to vote with your money then? We as individuals can't do shit about international trade. No matter if I live vegan or not, pigs will be slaughtered in inhumane conditions. No matter if I drive an SUV or not, climate change will grow. Systemic issues need to be dealt with those who have been elected for this job.
    - m00dy 7y ago
      I think Turks have the right to defend their borders
      - mschuster91 7y ago
        Rojava is no threat for the Turkish borders.
      - isostatic 7y ago
        By invading another country? I guess that's what the U.S. tends to do. I believe people have a right to self determination. Borders are just lines on a map. I know America doesn't believe that, and that's a valid viewpoint too, just one I disagree with.
      - 7y ago
anoncake 7y ago
> China is a huge country, and excluding a billion people from your company just because their government does questionable things sounds like a pretty bad idea. People have to do what the state they live in and belong to orders them to do. That's part of the point of having a state. So if you can't trust a state you can't trust its people either. > you are really concerned about the confidentiality of your data, don't store it unencrypted in some SaaS I don't think dissolving the company is on the table.
- dlkf 7y ago
  > I don't think dissolving the company is on the table. Zing! Solid line but it misses the point. As with any other data, you can encrypt source code. It's perfectly easy to envision a setup where Gitlab employees in country X can only see plaintext Gitlab data they could already see over the public internet.
- Joe_Harris 7y ago
  > People have to do what the state they live in and belong to orders them to do. That's part of the point of having a state. So if you can't trust a state you can't trust its people either. So, I could say that American is sucks if I think Trump is sucks? That is ridiculous. The first is that 'state is unauthentic' is a subjective speculation. And the most funny is that the conclusion 'people is unauthentic' is came from your first thought. I can not say American is terrorist if Hillary wanna burn other country. Am I right?
  - anoncake 7y ago
    If your world view is based on separating entities into good and bad, nuanced statements will appear ridiculous.

momirlan 7y ago

Trolling much? I expect a lot of Chinese rationalizing why this is a bad idea. After all, you get good social points for supporting the Party. Otherwise...

mschuster91 7y ago

> I on the other hand think that splitting countries into allies and enemies is stupid. China is a huge country, and excluding a billion people from your company just because their government does questionable things sounds like a pretty bad idea. There are only two ways left for China getting rid of its dictator government. The first one is flattening China with nuclear weapons (conventional war is impossible to win) which is obviously inacceptable, the second one is totally excluding China from any and all international trade. The third way (trade brings democracy) has been disproven over the last decades. Even worse, the Chinese dicatorship has taken our weapon of free trade and turned it against us. Our domestic production of many goods has completely shifted to China, our failure to treat Africa decently instead of using it as dumping ground for excess food and clothing has led to China filling the investment void and to top it off China has been using our money to buy up our companies and leverage that to shut down democratic protest (think of the Blizzard fuckup). China is an enemy and should be treated as such if the Western world wants to survive instead of turning a blind eye towards genocide (e.g. the Muslim Gulags).

pbhjpbhj 7y ago
Are you in USA? Should other countries refuse to employ USA citizens because of actions of the government - things like pulling out of Syria to enable the Turkish murder of the Kurds to continue. >China has been using our money ... The best way is to vote with your money then?
- mschuster91 7y ago
  > Are you in USA? No, Germany, which also faces massive problems with Chinese buy-outs and industrial spionage. > Should other countries refuse to employ USA citizens because of actions of the government - things like pulling out of Syria to enable the Turkish murder of the Kurds to continue. I would wish so, but I'm realistic enough to know no government wants to put themselves into the spotlight of Trump's Twitter account and trade war threats. >> China has been using our money ... > The best way is to vote with your money then? We as individuals can't do shit about international trade. No matter if I live vegan or not, pigs will be slaughtered in inhumane conditions. No matter if I drive an SUV or not, climate change will grow. Systemic issues need to be dealt with those who have been elected for this job.
  - m00dy 7y ago
    I think Turks have the right to defend their borders
    - mschuster91 7y ago
      Rojava is no threat for the Turkish borders.
    - isostatic 7y ago
      By invading another country? I guess that's what the U.S. tends to do. I believe people have a right to self determination. Borders are just lines on a map. I know America doesn't believe that, and that's a valid viewpoint too, just one I disagree with.
    - 7y ago

anoncake 7y ago

> China is a huge country, and excluding a billion people from your company just because their government does questionable things sounds like a pretty bad idea. People have to do what the state they live in and belong to orders them to do. That's part of the point of having a state. So if you can't trust a state you can't trust its people either. > you are really concerned about the confidentiality of your data, don't store it unencrypted in some SaaS I don't think dissolving the company is on the table.

dlkf 7y ago
> I don't think dissolving the company is on the table. Zing! Solid line but it misses the point. As with any other data, you can encrypt source code. It's perfectly easy to envision a setup where Gitlab employees in country X can only see plaintext Gitlab data they could already see over the public internet.
Joe_Harris 7y ago
> People have to do what the state they live in and belong to orders them to do. That's part of the point of having a state. So if you can't trust a state you can't trust its people either. So, I could say that American is sucks if I think Trump is sucks? That is ridiculous. The first is that 'state is unauthentic' is a subjective speculation. And the most funny is that the conclusion 'people is unauthentic' is came from your first thought. I can not say American is terrorist if Hillary wanna burn other country. Am I right?
- anoncake 7y ago
  If your world view is based on separating entities into good and bad, nuanced statements will appear ridiculous.