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Nipping at the heels, market share wise. Crushing it on the actual CPU performance side. The new Epyc Romes are pretty amazing chips compared to the Intel war
by sliken 7y ago
Nipping at the heels, market share wise.
Crushing it on the actual CPU performance side. The new Epyc Romes are pretty amazing chips compared to the Intel warmed over Xeon 82xx series.
- ekianjo 7y agoProblem is that in the enterprise segment there is almost no AMD offering with the big brands so it is going to take a while to displace the Xeons. I looked at Lenovo workstations recently and their offering is 90% Intel.
- beatgammit 7y agoWell, at least Thinkpad is available in AMD, which is a huge potential enterprise market.
- godzillabrennus 7y agoTime to go super micro or Gigabyte for a cycle. Let the big brands feel the pain of not incorporating AMD.
- jzwinck 7y agoSuperMicro's ILO and rack mounting hardware were really poor a few years ago. Has that changed? Keep in mind the big brands have improved those parts since then, so unless SM made amazing progress, they're not a drop in replacement.
- sliken 7y agoWorks for me. I just want to be able to turn on, turn off, reset, get a video console, and reinstall the OS from an ISO. Sure the software/tools could be nicer, but I've not been overly impressed with the competition. At least HTML5 has replaced the pain of ancient buggy java solutions that waste 5 minutes over a slow connections with sandbox permissions, java splash screens, and some awful client that's mostly VNC, but with a hacked up auth system.
- sithadmin 7y agoSuperMicro's rails and OOB management are still horrendous.
- detaro 7y agoWhat's the problem with their OOB?
- snuxoll 7y agoSame Avocent garbage as everyone else I assume, it’s not like any of the OEMs make their own.
- detaro 7y agoMore specific? That you think it's garbage doesn't really tell me what's garbage about it compared to others. I've only used supermicro's a little, and it seemed to do what it offered just fine.
- snuxoll 7y agoI haven’t used it, but I assume it’s really no better or worse. Virtually every OEM licenses their OOB management controllers from Avocent - HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc. all use more or less the same platform with a custom skin and a couple addon features packed in. From what I’ve seen, Supermicro is no different - they use Avocent hardware like everyone else. Everything just depends on what generation of controller they ship. EDIT: as an example, the iDRAC on my Dell R210 II’s, the IMM on my Lenovo TD340, and iLO 3 on my HP ML10 are all the same generation of Avocent hardware with few differences. My Dell RX20’s have newer OOB modules and suck less to work with, but so does comparably new hardware from other OEM’s because they’re all made by the same damned company.
- SteveNuts 7y agoiDrac is MILES ahead of SM ipmi, in my experience.
- sliken 7y agoDell and HP sell several solutions, I've not been tracking the others.
- justinclift 7y agoHP now put their BIOS/firmware downloads behind a paywall, which - from my point of view - excludes them from all future purchases. eg older gear that would generally be suitable for dev use can't even be updated any more. Screw that crowd. :(
- JohnJamesRambo 7y agoJust when I thought HP couldn’t be more stupid, they surpass all expectations; that’s so crazy. They just sent my brother a $500 video card about eight months late after already replacing the whole computer that had a faulty video card. One hand doesn’t know what the other does in that corporation.
- lazylizard 7y agoAnd asus.
- lhoff 7y agoSupermicro is offering Epyc Server since the product launch of the first generation. We ordered a Server back in June 2017 and it bot delivered in November because the CPUs Werke sold out in the beginning. Now with Rome it gets even more wide spread. The Epyc CPUs are perfect for a Single CPU all Flash storage Server due to the 128 PCIe Lanes. Intel can't offer anything comparable at the same or similar proce point because you need to buy 2 CPUs
- sixothree 7y agoIs that why all dell intel servers seem to come in 2 cpu only configs?
- sliken 7y agoNo idea on the desktop/workstation uptake. But servers seem available from plenty of OEMs. Supermicro, Asus, and Tyan have a wide variety of single and dual socket offerings. What impresses me most is that the transition from Epyc Naples to Epyc Rome was pretty quick and doubled the performance on a wide variety of heavy floating point codes.
- at-fates-hands 7y agoAre Xeons still running hot and sucking up a ton energy? My old workstation from a few years ago is a beast, but the dual Xeons it has runs pretty hot temp wise. I’m curious if they’ve solved that problem yet
- sliken 7y agoWell 2 years ago or so before the current Xeon scalable and Epyc chips it was relatively common to have server chips in the 65-95 watts. Often servers with 2 chips (mid range) would be $2,500 to $4,000. Unfortunately the realities of Moore's law (or the lack of it really) means that the perf/watt stopped doubling. So in a single generation a mid range server went from 65-95 watts to 180 watts or so. At the same time server costs approximately doubled. Higher end chips are now over 200 watts. The good news is that while they consume quite a bit of heat that the physical size of the socket, heat spreader, and chip have significantly increased. So you still have to dump the heat, but it's not as hard (read that as noisy) as it was cooling the smaller (with higher heat density) chips.
- washadjeffmad 7y agoOEMs don't list all configurations they sell on their sites, but they certainly want your money. We've asked for some ridiculous shit over the years (including sTR4 and SP3), and Dell has never failed to deliver a quote.
- Teknoman117 7y agoDell EMC is now offering AMD Epyc Rome based systems now.
- tyingq 7y agoAgree, but AMZN or MSFT could announce something significant at any moment. The incentive is there.
- dragonwriter 7y agoAWS isn't a big brand in the enterprise space? Because they certainly do have AMD offerings...
- chrisseaton 7y agoIt seems a bit token, though?
- lliamander 7y agoI did neofetch on an AMI and found it was running a first gen Epyc chip.
- lliamander 7y agoEpyc Rome launched with HPE (as in, you could buy a Rome based server from HPE the day it launched).
- snvzz 7y ago>I looked at Lenovo workstations recently and their offering is 90% Intel. This will only change if people choose what to get from the remaining 10% I did my part, getting a x395 recently, which worked out quite well.
- tyingq 7y agoAssuming they follow on with a credible laptop CPU, AMD is a clear BIG underdog winner, and Intel has some reflecting to do. It's a pretty unique moment in time.
- big_chungus 7y agoIt's been great for consumers, though. This ought to be a textbook illustration of how serious competition can drive a net increase in surplus, especially for consumers. I'd guess anyone who follows hardware, even from a distance, would agree. Finally broke the four-core "ceiling" intel imposed, too. I don't know if AMD will stay in front long-term (intel's got some nice stuff coming out on new nodes), but that doesn't matter. If intel is forced to put some work in and pull ahead again, still better. Interestingly enough, I'm hoping that intel does the same to nvidia in the GPU space. Nvidia is still the choice if you want the best performance, and cuda is the standard. That might change (and prices might drop) if intel's cards end up being good. Fingers crossed.
- topmonk 7y agoWouldn't we all fair better if those doing the duplicate work of researching for their individual companies instead were able to work together on a single design? If instead of two corporations wasting resources fighting each other for market dominance, if we all were only allowed to work for the government, tasks like these could be performed in a way that nothing was wasted and not only that but we all worked for the greater good of the people rather than the profit of a few. Such a configuration would surely beat the pants off of any capitalist environment regardless of the regulatory structure imposed. Not to mention, by having goals that put the people first, would end up with a society of better served, happier people where empathy was the rule rather than the exception.
- mika9090 7y agoI also suggest that those people charged with designing this new unified CPU will have a progress quota. And if they do not meet this quota they will be send to a labour camp. This will surely speed things up! And just to be sure all is fair you will in charged of defining this quota.