3 ms·

In my experience, Entheogens and money have a reluctant relationship. A 'psychedlic healing' business immediately sounds concerning to me. I can't find any conv

by basq 7y ago

In my experience, Entheogens and money have a reluctant relationship. A 'psychedlic healing' business immediately sounds concerning to me. I can't find any convincing credentials beyond the author taking these substances at some point in her life. The author lambasts MBAs yet admits they themselves are a marketer. Not to mention, 'psychedelic industry' just sounds wrong. What's the difference between psychedelics and anti depressants? Psychedelics have a religious component-- no, not the dogmatic, institutionalized sort you find in the likes of the roman catholic church; rather, the kind of spiritual experiences that help you come to terms with your existence, and your demise. More akin to a shaman than a pope. While I think the world could use 'psychedelic churches' in a manner of speaking, I struggle to reconcile that with anything possesing a profit motive. lofty ideals alone will not lead to enlightenment.

empath75 7y ago
A psychedelic church would just end up being a tax-dodge for drug dealers probably.
- claylimo 7y ago
  While not totally what you are describing there is Santo Daime although it is more religous based. There is also Soul Quest Ayahuasca Church in Orlando which seems to operate in the public.
- api 7y ago
  A church as a tax-dodge for drug dealers is not a new thing.
  - pstuart 7y ago
    A church as a tax-dodge is not a new thing.
bananatron 7y ago
There are significant differences between psychedelics and anti-depressants, both mechanically and when it involves long-term treatment planning and monetization. Although research is quite limited due to regulatory constraints, John Hopkins has particularly interesting research on the subject (https://hopkinspsychedelic.org https://hopkinspsychedelic.org), with ongoing trials. I think you're right about the shamanic ideal - at its current state, this doesn't seem to be the kind of treatment you can scale through the form of a pill.
- carapace 7y ago
  > The Native American Church (NAC), also known as Peyotism and Peyote Religion, is a Native American religion that teaches a combination of traditional Native American beliefs and Christianity, with sacramental use of the entheogen peyote.[1] The religion originated in the Oklahoma Territory (1890-1907) in the late nineteenth century, after peyote was introduced to the southern Great Plains from Mexico.[1][2][3] Today it is the most widespread indigenous religion among Native Americans in the United States (except Alaska Natives and Native Hawaiians), Canada (specifically First Nations people in Saskatchewan and Alberta), and Mexico, with an estimated 250,000 adherents as of the late twentieth century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_Church https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_Church

by basq 7y ago

empath75 7y ago

A psychedelic church would just end up being a tax-dodge for drug dealers probably.

claylimo 7y ago
While not totally what you are describing there is Santo Daime although it is more religous based. There is also Soul Quest Ayahuasca Church in Orlando which seems to operate in the public.
api 7y ago
A church as a tax-dodge for drug dealers is not a new thing.
- pstuart 7y ago
  A church as a tax-dodge is not a new thing.

bananatron 7y ago

There are significant differences between psychedelics and anti-depressants, both mechanically and when it involves long-term treatment planning and monetization. Although research is quite limited due to regulatory constraints, John Hopkins has particularly interesting research on the subject (https://hopkinspsychedelic.org https://hopkinspsychedelic.org), with ongoing trials. I think you're right about the shamanic ideal - at its current state, this doesn't seem to be the kind of treatment you can scale through the form of a pill.

carapace 7y ago
> The Native American Church (NAC), also known as Peyotism and Peyote Religion, is a Native American religion that teaches a combination of traditional Native American beliefs and Christianity, with sacramental use of the entheogen peyote.[1] The religion originated in the Oklahoma Territory (1890-1907) in the late nineteenth century, after peyote was introduced to the southern Great Plains from Mexico.[1][2][3] Today it is the most widespread indigenous religion among Native Americans in the United States (except Alaska Natives and Native Hawaiians), Canada (specifically First Nations people in Saskatchewan and Alberta), and Mexico, with an estimated 250,000 adherents as of the late twentieth century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_Church https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_Church