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You could be in that club for any reason. In Germany we prosecute Nazi related content (e.g. Mein Kampf, etc). Would be completely fine in the US. As a result,

by oaiey 7y ago

You could be in that club for any reason. In Germany we prosecute Nazi related content (e.g. Mein Kampf, etc). Would be completely fine in the US. As a result, a government takedown request can bring a rationale country like Germany on the list, doing the right thing, and still be viewed by US standards as violation of free speech. Legal is different in each country. And honestly, Spain has a territorial integrity and a working democratic process.

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raxxorrax 7y ago
It is always questionable if the state enacting control on media is the correct conclusion from the Nazi era where content control was common and a pillar of the regime.
- oaiey 7y ago
  That is the approach of our society here in Germany and that is not questionable. It is core concept of our identity and how we deal with this heritage. I would recommend to read the following article about it: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/germany-has-no-nazi-memorials/597937/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/germany-ha...
  - raxxorrax 7y ago
    Maybe not focusing on national symbols is a core tenet, as is disallowing violence in media out of fear it could awaken some inner monster. I do not share this view and given the realities of the modern world, people will come in contact with it anyway and it would help to be prepared. Which I think the German education system provides for that matter. But with all things learned, "our identity" certainly has a comparably low priority. I cannot tell you who is in the right in Spain, but I am certainly cautious not to justify a crackdown on content by authorities. And while it is true that symbols associated with the nazi-era are prosecuted, I do believe that the goal is immediately lost if used as a justification to restrict freedom of expression, which this immediate case could constitute. Maybe not, but I like to defer judgement. With a perspective on current world politics I have the impression that the German solution is fairly inadequate. That is why I do question it.

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raxxorrax 7y ago

It is always questionable if the state enacting control on media is the correct conclusion from the Nazi era where content control was common and a pillar of the regime.

oaiey 7y ago
That is the approach of our society here in Germany and that is not questionable. It is core concept of our identity and how we deal with this heritage. I would recommend to read the following article about it: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/germany-has-no-nazi-memorials/597937/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/germany-ha...
- raxxorrax 7y ago
  Maybe not focusing on national symbols is a core tenet, as is disallowing violence in media out of fear it could awaken some inner monster. I do not share this view and given the realities of the modern world, people will come in contact with it anyway and it would help to be prepared. Which I think the German education system provides for that matter. But with all things learned, "our identity" certainly has a comparably low priority. I cannot tell you who is in the right in Spain, but I am certainly cautious not to justify a crackdown on content by authorities. And while it is true that symbols associated with the nazi-era are prosecuted, I do believe that the goal is immediately lost if used as a justification to restrict freedom of expression, which this immediate case could constitute. Maybe not, but I like to defer judgement. With a perspective on current world politics I have the impression that the German solution is fairly inadequate. That is why I do question it.