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I wonder how much the outraged individual has contributed financially to what is a fabulous tool that all DevOps engineers benefit directly from. I get that it

I wonder how much the outraged individual has contributed financially to what is a fabulous tool that all DevOps engineers benefit directly from. I get that it should have been discussed, but even still - the code is there for all to see and read whenever they can be bothered too. They can even fork and build it without this. It's this level of open source snobbery that makes me think that eventually only the big companies will contribute and open source projects - and only because it brings developers onto their platforms.

mynameisvlad 7y ago
This sets a dangerous precedent. You shouldn't need to contribute financially to file an issue about an open source product you use. Edit: cleaned up the wording a bit by removing the "raise a concern" bit. Hopefully that removes any ambiguity in the comment.
- BookPage 7y ago
  > or file an issue about an open source product you use. Are you kidding me? This is literally the mechanism to provide feedback to the contributors.
  - justinclift 7y ago
    Why would people need to pay money to file issues?
  - mjlee 7y ago
    I think the statement is meant to be read as: > You shouldn't need to contribute financially to [...] file an issue about an open source product you use.
    - mynameisvlad 7y ago
      Yes, sorry, I had an extra bit in there that I removed before posting the comment, and in the process made it a bit harder to read. This is definitely what I was intending.
- diminoten 7y ago
  File? No. Get worked/dealt with at all? Yeah. Developers can't feed their children with good vibes.
  - alrs 7y ago
    Pay-to-file is fine, if that's what the authors want.
    - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
      It seems pretty contrary to the spirit of OSS (shared improvement, for example), so I wouldn't call it "fine". "Within the authors available options", maybe. Like -- and pardon my crudity -- you could throw a free party, then poo on the floor, totally allowed but perhaps not within the spirit of parties.
- alrs 7y ago
  Nowhere, in the tenets of "free software" or "open source", is there any expectation there is any mechanism whatsoever for support or even "filing issues." If an open-source project wants to charge you money to file an issue, that's totally OK and totally in-bounds.
  - jessaustin 7y ago
    Haha that's a fun revenue model.
- LoSboccacc 7y ago
  it sounds like the perfect monetisation strategy for open source. as long as contributing a fix via a pull request is free opening a ticket to cover for the dev time needed to work on the issue in your behalf seems just fair
jdbernard 7y ago
I don't see "outrage." > the code is there for all to see and read whenever they can be bothered too. This is exactly what this developer is doing. > open source snobbery I also don't read any snobbery in their PR. They found a genuine problem. They have actual security concerns with this behavior.
gatherhunterer 7y ago
Making a project open source does not excuse the author from ethical responsibilities. Asking for changes to an open source project is not snobbery.
marcinzm 7y ago
If you don't want people to have discussions about your code then don't release it, ever, in any format. If you don't want to have discussions on your bug tracker then don't have one open to the world. Releasing something as open source doesn't mean you get total control over how other people feel or talk about it. This isn't even outrage, it's a mature constructive discussion of a released product.

mynameisvlad 7y ago

This sets a dangerous precedent. You shouldn't need to contribute financially to file an issue about an open source product you use. Edit: cleaned up the wording a bit by removing the "raise a concern" bit. Hopefully that removes any ambiguity in the comment.

BookPage 7y ago
> or file an issue about an open source product you use. Are you kidding me? This is literally the mechanism to provide feedback to the contributors.
- justinclift 7y ago
  Why would people need to pay money to file issues?
- mjlee 7y ago
  I think the statement is meant to be read as: > You shouldn't need to contribute financially to [...] file an issue about an open source product you use.
  - mynameisvlad 7y ago
    Yes, sorry, I had an extra bit in there that I removed before posting the comment, and in the process made it a bit harder to read. This is definitely what I was intending.
diminoten 7y ago
File? No. Get worked/dealt with at all? Yeah. Developers can't feed their children with good vibes.
- alrs 7y ago
  Pay-to-file is fine, if that's what the authors want.
  - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
    It seems pretty contrary to the spirit of OSS (shared improvement, for example), so I wouldn't call it "fine". "Within the authors available options", maybe. Like -- and pardon my crudity -- you could throw a free party, then poo on the floor, totally allowed but perhaps not within the spirit of parties.
alrs 7y ago
Nowhere, in the tenets of "free software" or "open source", is there any expectation there is any mechanism whatsoever for support or even "filing issues." If an open-source project wants to charge you money to file an issue, that's totally OK and totally in-bounds.
- jessaustin 7y ago
  Haha that's a fun revenue model.
LoSboccacc 7y ago
it sounds like the perfect monetisation strategy for open source. as long as contributing a fix via a pull request is free opening a ticket to cover for the dev time needed to work on the issue in your behalf seems just fair

jdbernard 7y ago

I don't see "outrage." > the code is there for all to see and read whenever they can be bothered too. This is exactly what this developer is doing. > open source snobbery I also don't read any snobbery in their PR. They found a genuine problem. They have actual security concerns with this behavior.

gatherhunterer 7y ago

Making a project open source does not excuse the author from ethical responsibilities. Asking for changes to an open source project is not snobbery.

marcinzm 7y ago

If you don't want people to have discussions about your code then don't release it, ever, in any format. If you don't want to have discussions on your bug tracker then don't have one open to the world. Releasing something as open source doesn't mean you get total control over how other people feel or talk about it. This isn't even outrage, it's a mature constructive discussion of a released product.