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I don't understand why people still tip if they make 15 per hour. As it writes in the article they have tip credit but the employer would still have to cough th

• squeaky-clean 7y ago
  As someone who put themselves through college on pizza delivery... > but the employer would still have to cough that 15 bucks if they didn't make enough in tips. This gets you fired. You'll get your requested increased compensation in your next check, and the following week you're reduced to about 5 hours of work total. The following week after that you're let go for poor performance because if you're the only employee asking for tip compensation you're basically admitting you don't get tipped as well as other employees. Not that I agree earning low tips is synonymous with poor performance, but try convincing a stereotypical crappy manager that. It's also one of those situations where the people getting screwed over don't really have the means to defend themselves. If $400 in missing wages is a big deal (as it should be), one isn't really able to hire a lawyer to take care of the case for them. Also people lie. I worked at Burger King as a teen and the manager would lie to everyone, saying if he found out they were applying for other jobs they would be fired. Super illegal, and he has no way of even knowing outside of reference calls. But pretty much every older employee believed him and didn't want to risk homelessness because they tried switching jobs. I remember telling him something along the lines of "Fuck off, I'm 16 and live with my parents"(he thought I was older), but it didn't hit me until years later that he was basically keeping the other employees his prisoners.
  • graeme 7y ago
    The OP was saying if min wage is $15 workers get that automatically without having to ask. You seem like you’re replying to something else? Or does the law only give $15 if there aren’t tips?
    • shakestheclown 7y ago
      Depends on the location and industry, but it looks like for NYC 11+ employee companies it's $12.50 cash wage / $2.50 tip credit for hospitality service, $10/$5 for food service. https://labor.ny.gov/formsdocs/factsheets/pdfs/p717.pdf https://labor.ny.gov/formsdocs/factsheets/pdfs/p717.pdf
• remon 7y ago
  Less tip = more cost employer = higher prices. One way or the other you're roughly paying the same, only in a way that does not incentivise good service as much.
  • jfk13 7y ago
    If tipping is necessary to incentivise good service (i.e. workers doing their job properly), why isn't it the norm in every job?
    • golergka 7y ago
      Because other jobs have better mechanisms for this, because they rely on very repeated transactions. Eating in a restoraunt or drinking in a bar is often a one-off transaction, so there's no way for a mechanism of reputation to kick in.
    • SuoDuanDao 7y ago
      Because some unreasonable people get upset when we try to tip police and bureaucrats :)
    • jumbopapa 7y ago
      It is normal in many jobs, but you might call it a bonus instead of a tip.
      • phatfish 7y ago
        A bonus is nothing like a tip. It's paid for by the employer for meeting set targets/KPIs. It's not a good will gesture from a customer.
        • jumbopapa 7y ago
          It's very similar to a tip. It's incentive based pay for doing your job well. It does come from the customer, but it goes through a middleman (your employer) first.
• ianleeclark 7y ago
  > As it writes in the article they have tip credit but the employer would still have to cough that 15 bucks if they didn't make enough in tips. If you have to tell your employer to cough up the remainder, you're going to suddenly find yourself getting scheduled only an hour or two a week, if at all.
  • aries1980 7y ago
    I'm not familiar with US employment laws, but the amount of hours is not in your contract? The number of hours and the nature of the schedule is not something the employer is allowed to change in Europe. Zero-hour contracts are explicitly illegal, even for the self-employed.
    • louisswiss 7y ago
      Not sure where you are in Europe, but in Switzerland this is perfectly legal. I was employed on a Zero-hour contract as a bartender for much of my time in higher education.
      • aries1980 7y ago
        See my answer bit up. I owned a business in Hungary. "Zero-hours contracts are NOT permitted in: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Poland and Spain. There is an uncertainty as to their validity in Sweden. Generally they are not permitted under Swedish law but may be agreed by collective bargaining." https://www.igloballaw.com/zero-hours-contracts/ https://www.igloballaw.com/zero-hours-contracts/
        • CathedralBorrow 7y ago
          You can add Iceland to that list as well.
    • roel_v 7y ago
      "Zero-hour contracts are explicitly illegal, even for the self-employed." Not sure what "Europe" you're talking about, but in my part of Europe, they aren't...
• aiyodev 7y ago
  The bill is for the product. The tip is for the service.
  • lultimouomo 7y ago
    How come you get to choose how much to pay for the service, but not for the product?
  • aidanlister 7y ago
    The product at a restaurant is the experience, not the raw materials.