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> Because all I see out in the real world are Apple watches and Fit Bits. Which world? USA? Apple Watch doesn't work outside the Apple ecosystem, and Apple do

> Because all I see out in the real world are Apple watches and Fit Bits. Which world? USA? Apple Watch doesn't work outside the Apple ecosystem, and Apple doesn't own the majority of the smartphone market. Stats for Europe, 2019 https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/10/21/smart-wearables-market-in-europe-grew-2-5x-times-in-q2-of-2019-compared-to-last-year/ https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/10/21/smart-wearables-market... Apple was pretty stable, Fitbit lost half its market share (to Garmin, looks like), the rest was more or less stable.

agloeregrets 7y ago
I think they mean in the US (which obviously is not the whole world) Here in the US the iPhone is more than 50% market share (likely much higher, if you were to count hours of use rather than just raw devices. Many mid-range android users own one simply because it’s what the company told them to buy and they “just wanted a phone” while low end android devices lack battery life.) In the wearables market in the US, Garmin exclusively sells to hardcore fitness fans. They really are a niche company, (a very profitable niche, with high selling prices). In that context, yep, all you see are Fitbits and Apple watches. Fitbit is seen as the “android” of the smart watch world, which is quite funny as wearOS has become DOA.
- markmark 7y ago
  Here in my part of Australia apple watches are pretty rare, but I see a lot of more general fitness trackers, and plenty of Garmin watches. When I was in SF for work recently it seemed like every second person had an apple watch.
- nradov 7y ago
  In the US, iPhone market share is 41%. Garmin sells a wide range of fitness trackers, only some of which are targeted to hardcore athletes. They have other models for casual users or those who care more about style.
  - Terretta 7y ago
    But 83% among teens (still ticking up) as of October 2019 https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191008005671/en/Piper-Jaffray-Completes-38th-Semi-Annual-Generation-Survey https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191008005671/en/Pip...
- criley2 7y ago
  > Many mid-range android users own one simply because it’s what the company told them to buy and they “just wanted a phone” while low end android devices lack battery life.) It's ironic that you're totally inverted here. Most of the iPhone owners I know were given one by their company. It's the corporate standard so businesses which deal in phones hand them out. I've actually never met someone with an Android device issued through their company. Literally 100% of the corporate phone users I know use iPhone! Either your anecdote is the exact opposite of mine, or you're trying to create a narrative here that isn't really true. P.S. Apple hasn't broken 50% marketshare in many years. https://www.counterpointresearch.com/us-market-smartphone-share/ https://www.counterpointresearch.com/us-market-smartphone-sh... If you count browser stats, https://www.statista.com/statistics/272664/market-share-held-by-mobile-browsers-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/272664/market-share-held..., then Apple barely cracks 50% in the US. Based on your 'cavalier' understanding of the statistics I have to assume your storytelling here is as grounded in reality as your data!
- neves 7y ago
  I Brazil I just see Mi Bands. Apple watches are just for who wants to display they have money.
make3 7y ago
"Which world? USA? Apple Watch doesn't work outside the Apple ecosystem, and Apple doesn't own the majority of the smartphone market." Your own numbers show that apple is the leader of the market by far. However I agree that they don't own the whole sector
citilife 7y ago
> Apple doesn't own the majority of the smartphone market They don't have to? Most people who pay for an iPhone already have bought into the ecosystem and are willing to pay a lot for Apple items (ear pods). Those people also would likely be more willing to buy wearables, so it's quite likely that they have a large stake in the wearable market (as your data shows). Most people who buy phones don't have the resources to buy accessories (like a wearable). Even what you linked was 40% Apple, that's a huge market share for wearables (which is what you see in public). Not the majority, but probably enough that a person can say "it's all all see in the real world". Especially, if you are from a more affluent area, where locally it may be the majority.

agloeregrets 7y ago

I think they mean in the US (which obviously is not the whole world) Here in the US the iPhone is more than 50% market share (likely much higher, if you were to count hours of use rather than just raw devices. Many mid-range android users own one simply because it’s what the company told them to buy and they “just wanted a phone” while low end android devices lack battery life.) In the wearables market in the US, Garmin exclusively sells to hardcore fitness fans. They really are a niche company, (a very profitable niche, with high selling prices). In that context, yep, all you see are Fitbits and Apple watches. Fitbit is seen as the “android” of the smart watch world, which is quite funny as wearOS has become DOA.

markmark 7y ago
Here in my part of Australia apple watches are pretty rare, but I see a lot of more general fitness trackers, and plenty of Garmin watches. When I was in SF for work recently it seemed like every second person had an apple watch.
nradov 7y ago
In the US, iPhone market share is 41%. Garmin sells a wide range of fitness trackers, only some of which are targeted to hardcore athletes. They have other models for casual users or those who care more about style.
- Terretta 7y ago
  But 83% among teens (still ticking up) as of October 2019 https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191008005671/en/Piper-Jaffray-Completes-38th-Semi-Annual-Generation-Survey https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191008005671/en/Pip...
criley2 7y ago
> Many mid-range android users own one simply because it’s what the company told them to buy and they “just wanted a phone” while low end android devices lack battery life.) It's ironic that you're totally inverted here. Most of the iPhone owners I know were given one by their company. It's the corporate standard so businesses which deal in phones hand them out. I've actually never met someone with an Android device issued through their company. Literally 100% of the corporate phone users I know use iPhone! Either your anecdote is the exact opposite of mine, or you're trying to create a narrative here that isn't really true. P.S. Apple hasn't broken 50% marketshare in many years. https://www.counterpointresearch.com/us-market-smartphone-share/ https://www.counterpointresearch.com/us-market-smartphone-sh... If you count browser stats, https://www.statista.com/statistics/272664/market-share-held-by-mobile-browsers-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/272664/market-share-held..., then Apple barely cracks 50% in the US. Based on your 'cavalier' understanding of the statistics I have to assume your storytelling here is as grounded in reality as your data!
neves 7y ago
I Brazil I just see Mi Bands. Apple watches are just for who wants to display they have money.

make3 7y ago

"Which world? USA? Apple Watch doesn't work outside the Apple ecosystem, and Apple doesn't own the majority of the smartphone market." Your own numbers show that apple is the leader of the market by far. However I agree that they don't own the whole sector

citilife 7y ago

> Apple doesn't own the majority of the smartphone market They don't have to? Most people who pay for an iPhone already have bought into the ecosystem and are willing to pay a lot for Apple items (ear pods). Those people also would likely be more willing to buy wearables, so it's quite likely that they have a large stake in the wearable market (as your data shows). Most people who buy phones don't have the resources to buy accessories (like a wearable). Even what you linked was 40% Apple, that's a huge market share for wearables (which is what you see in public). Not the majority, but probably enough that a person can say "it's all all see in the real world". Especially, if you are from a more affluent area, where locally it may be the majority.