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I know a guy who was deep in the online steroids world like 10 years ago. He would find clients on body building forums. There was eventually a bust and he didn

I know a guy who was deep in the online steroids world like 10 years ago. He would find clients on body building forums. There was eventually a bust and he didn’t get nabbed although many other associates of his did. He couldn’t believe at the time that a bust could have happened given how minor that was compared to narcotics. The most interesting part of the story was that during the time he was under investigation he was completely overcome with fear and worry, so bad he was vomiting blood. Once he got through it without any charges he completely got out of drug dealing and became a software engineer. I don’t think people who dabble in crime truly understand how nerve wracking it is until something really bad happens. Effective criminals are sociopaths who don’t experience fear the same way as most people. It’s so much better to work in legal industries.

baobabKoodaa 7y ago
There's probably some medical reason for vomiting blood, I don't think paranoia/other psychological causes could explain that.
- geofft 7y ago
  Isn't it pretty common to get ulcers from merely stress / "psychological causes" and also pretty standard for ulcers to cause you to vomit up blood? I don't think this is strange....
- ryanmercer 7y ago
  Stress can do a lot to your body like causing ulcers and you to lose your hair by the fistful.
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IIAOPSW 7y ago
I don't want to talk about my own experience in detail, but I just got to say paranoia is a disease that eats your mind from the inside. If you've never experienced it I envy you. >Effective criminals are sociopaths who don’t experience fear the same way as most people. Strong disagree. The effective ones still feel it, they're just confident they can win in the end. The paranoia makes you put way more thought and effort into it. The ones that don't feel the fear are the ones that will be lazy about op-sec and get caught. Also being reckless and just barely escaping is itself an addicting feeling. Like going to Vegas but the stakes are for real and the club is more exclusive.
- joewee 7y ago
  Would love to hear more about your experience.
  - zapdrive 7y ago
    Nice try FBI.
- e3g33qevrq34 7y ago
  > Strong disagree. Same. I have sat next to kilo-level cocaine dealers and seen them pray in the car while waiting to re-up. I never met any drug dealer or even killers that even pretended to be unafraid about what they're doing.
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specialist 7y ago
re steroids I thought it was a lot of fuss over nothing, eg baseball players juicing, until I read The Waxman Report by former Sen Henry Waxman. I learned that steroids were a serious problem for teenagers and other aspirants, leading to health problems, and occasionally suicide. Sen Waxman's own intro to the issue was from constituents who's own son was using and then killed himself. TLDR: steroids are also problematic.

baobabKoodaa 7y ago

There's probably some medical reason for vomiting blood, I don't think paranoia/other psychological causes could explain that.

geofft 7y ago
Isn't it pretty common to get ulcers from merely stress / "psychological causes" and also pretty standard for ulcers to cause you to vomit up blood? I don't think this is strange....
ryanmercer 7y ago
Stress can do a lot to your body like causing ulcers and you to lose your hair by the fistful.

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IIAOPSW 7y ago

I don't want to talk about my own experience in detail, but I just got to say paranoia is a disease that eats your mind from the inside. If you've never experienced it I envy you. >Effective criminals are sociopaths who don’t experience fear the same way as most people. Strong disagree. The effective ones still feel it, they're just confident they can win in the end. The paranoia makes you put way more thought and effort into it. The ones that don't feel the fear are the ones that will be lazy about op-sec and get caught. Also being reckless and just barely escaping is itself an addicting feeling. Like going to Vegas but the stakes are for real and the club is more exclusive.

joewee 7y ago
Would love to hear more about your experience.
- zapdrive 7y ago
  Nice try FBI.
e3g33qevrq34 7y ago
> Strong disagree. Same. I have sat next to kilo-level cocaine dealers and seen them pray in the car while waiting to re-up. I never met any drug dealer or even killers that even pretended to be unafraid about what they're doing.

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specialist 7y ago

re steroids I thought it was a lot of fuss over nothing, eg baseball players juicing, until I read The Waxman Report by former Sen Henry Waxman. I learned that steroids were a serious problem for teenagers and other aspirants, leading to health problems, and occasionally suicide. Sen Waxman's own intro to the issue was from constituents who's own son was using and then killed himself. TLDR: steroids are also problematic.