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how is this any different from a chess club of a sports club? Seriously, all of those clubs demand many hours of dedication. If you do a sport in highschool yo

how is this any different from a chess club of a sports club? Seriously, all of those clubs demand many hours of dedication. If you do a sport in highschool you basically have to be able to get 4 hours of sleep and deal with it

ApolloFortyNine 7y ago
I played football all Highschool, started school at 8am (so bus at 7-715), done with football by 6pm. This leaves you 4-5 hours depending on how long it takes you to get ready. This is more than enough to do homework, though some days definitely sucked more than others. In my opinion it helped develop valuable time management skills.
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  In my opinion, that leaves you no time to do anything "unstructured". No time to socialize with family or neighbors, no time to just go explore and wander or experiment, no time to learn to cook with one's parents or participate in cultural activities that may not be reflected in the school year. I don't mind sports, but the way it's placed on a pedestal in the US above all other activities is ridiculous to me. Not keen on homework that takes over after school hours either.
  - ApolloFortyNine 7y ago
    It's hard to argue you don't develop social skills in football, and it'd be really hard to put in 3 hours a day for 4 months (8 hours a day for the month of August) and not make friends. The teamwork aspect of any sport is difficult to teach in a school setting. After football season I got out of school at 3.
  - astura 7y ago
    Um you know football isn't year-round, right? Also, why the fuck is it "impossible" to socialize with family and neighbors at 6pm? They are probably at work until 5pm anyways. By the time someone is old enough to play football they should already know how to cook.
    - sk0g 7y ago
      > By the time someone is old enough to play football they should already know how to cook. I started playing football (a different one to what OP meant, I'm guessing), at the age of... 2. Definitely not old enough to cook then. Good luck convincing most male teenagers that they need to learn to cook for themselves, too. I've only picked up those skills in the last few years, and I'm almost done with university!
    - nullc 7y ago
      > Also, why the fuck is it "impossible" to socialize with family and neighbors at 6pm? News reports claim high school students are assigned 3.5 hours of homework per weeknight. (e.g. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-xpm-2014-mar-01-la-ol-too-much-homework-20140228-story.html https://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-xpm-2014-mar-01-la-ol-too... )
EpicEng 7y ago
We could argue the merits of paying video games against something like chess club, but that's not the argument I'm making. I'm only saying that, if you stay up until 1-2am, you're going to have a hard time pretty much anywhere unless they let you roll in at 10. For my part, I still play video games, slept through most of school, got kicked out, taught myself to program at 22, and have been working in the field for 14 years now. I won't take a job with a strict in-time because I know I have a hard time getting to bed early. I'm not bashing video games, but you have to take some responsibility. School at 10 wouldn't work well for a variety of reasons, even if I wish it were possible.
- yblubbery 7y ago
  learn to program -> get job instantly
- matwood 7y ago
  I agree with you. Move start time to 10 and people will stay up until 3-4. The underlying point is people are trying to find extra time in their day to do with as they please.

ApolloFortyNine 7y ago

I played football all Highschool, started school at 8am (so bus at 7-715), done with football by 6pm. This leaves you 4-5 hours depending on how long it takes you to get ready. This is more than enough to do homework, though some days definitely sucked more than others. In my opinion it helped develop valuable time management skills.

lotsofpulp 7y ago
In my opinion, that leaves you no time to do anything "unstructured". No time to socialize with family or neighbors, no time to just go explore and wander or experiment, no time to learn to cook with one's parents or participate in cultural activities that may not be reflected in the school year. I don't mind sports, but the way it's placed on a pedestal in the US above all other activities is ridiculous to me. Not keen on homework that takes over after school hours either.
- ApolloFortyNine 7y ago
  It's hard to argue you don't develop social skills in football, and it'd be really hard to put in 3 hours a day for 4 months (8 hours a day for the month of August) and not make friends. The teamwork aspect of any sport is difficult to teach in a school setting. After football season I got out of school at 3.
- astura 7y ago
  Um you know football isn't year-round, right? Also, why the fuck is it "impossible" to socialize with family and neighbors at 6pm? They are probably at work until 5pm anyways. By the time someone is old enough to play football they should already know how to cook.
  - sk0g 7y ago
    > By the time someone is old enough to play football they should already know how to cook. I started playing football (a different one to what OP meant, I'm guessing), at the age of... 2. Definitely not old enough to cook then. Good luck convincing most male teenagers that they need to learn to cook for themselves, too. I've only picked up those skills in the last few years, and I'm almost done with university!
  - nullc 7y ago
    > Also, why the fuck is it "impossible" to socialize with family and neighbors at 6pm? News reports claim high school students are assigned 3.5 hours of homework per weeknight. (e.g. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-xpm-2014-mar-01-la-ol-too-much-homework-20140228-story.html https://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-xpm-2014-mar-01-la-ol-too... )

EpicEng 7y ago

We could argue the merits of paying video games against something like chess club, but that's not the argument I'm making. I'm only saying that, if you stay up until 1-2am, you're going to have a hard time pretty much anywhere unless they let you roll in at 10. For my part, I still play video games, slept through most of school, got kicked out, taught myself to program at 22, and have been working in the field for 14 years now. I won't take a job with a strict in-time because I know I have a hard time getting to bed early. I'm not bashing video games, but you have to take some responsibility. School at 10 wouldn't work well for a variety of reasons, even if I wish it were possible.

yblubbery 7y ago
learn to program -> get job instantly
matwood 7y ago
I agree with you. Move start time to 10 and people will stay up until 3-4. The underlying point is people are trying to find extra time in their day to do with as they please.