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I wonder how azure employees feel about this.

by foob4r 7y ago

pinewurst 7y ago
Probably really good as many/most are stockholders too. I know I do.
meddlepal 7y ago
Very excited!
tozeur 7y ago
I don’t understand the repulsive feelings towards helping the govt. Would we rather have the people in control of the military and our troops use out-of-date tech?
- hackingthenews 7y ago
  What about the fact that privacy is becoming a thing of the past?
  - pinewurst 7y ago
    I fear Google and Facebook far more than the US Army. I fail to see how rehosting ancient military logistics and business systems translates to a Lojack up our collective derrieres.
- vkou 7y ago
  I would rather the military be less capable, because its current capability is being used for offensive, not defensive purposes. If it's less capable, it's less likely to get embroiled in stupid imperialistic adventures. Edit: I don't understand why so many people are, at the same time, so enthused by the idea of starving government (Because they think most of its services are a waste of money), while at the same time, insisting on spending more on the military than the rest of the world combined.
  - tozeur 7y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemonic_stability_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemonic_stability_theory
  - ploxolo 7y ago
    So I take you approve of Trump's decision on Syria?
    - senderista 7y ago
      He advanced a long-term goal that I agree with (disengagement from Syria) in a manner I found stupid and immoral (abandoning the Kurds with no security guarantees and leaving potentially tens of thousands of IS prisoners free to escape).
  - shitgoose 7y ago
    Actually the woke thing now is moar government. Way moar. Just wait for Warren to take office. And, what is truly bizarre - the same woke crowd is quite militaristic. It is not clear, is it just to spite Trump or because of general lack of brains, but what you observe is quite true.
    - mmmeff 7y ago
      This comment gave me woke cancer.
  - 3131s 7y ago
    > I don't understand why so many people are, at the same time, so enthused by the idea of starving government (Because they think most of its services are a waste of money), while at the same time, insisting on spending more on the military than the rest of the world combined. “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
  - paganel 7y ago
    > I would rather the military be less capable, because its current capability is being used for offensive, not defensive purposes. Same here, that’s why I’m glad this contract went to MS instead of AWS, as I see the latter as being technologically better than MS’s cloud solution.
- Supermancho 7y ago
  > Would we rather have the people in control of the military and our troops use out-of-date tech I don't trust or rely on any infrastructure that largely uses microsoft products...I'm sure there's some minor stuff hidden away here and there within systems. MSFT has a software philosophy, which is reciprocated in their culture, that can only be described as byzantine and unpredictable. They are basically 00's Oracle at this point.
  - Aperocky 7y ago
    I thought they have reinvented themselves with the new embrace for linux and the cloud? I've always thought Windows OS is garbage but Microsoft seemed fine without it nowadays. Can anyone with Microsoft knowledge share a little bit about the culture and how it's changed?
    - mmmeff 7y ago
      Microsoft has definitely turned the corner in terms of culture with some projects like Typescript, WSL, .NET Core, etc., but Azure is very much still the "old Microsoft." It was started before this turn and has many of the same old stinks that anyone who's worked in Enterprise Microsoft-land can smell. They may yet right the ship as time goes on and their growing revenue points in the direction that they will, but anyone who's used all three major cloud-providers knows they're still at the bottom of the totem pole.
    - SapphireFog 7y ago
      MS employee here. No joke, the Microsoft of today is like a 180 from the Microsoft of even 3, or 5 years ago. Satya Nadella has been on a long-term campaign to transform the culture in some pretty inspiring ways, to be honest. It's led to the departure of long-time fixtures in leadership--the most shocking of which was the head of the Windows team (remember the agonizingly pushy nature of the Windows 10 rollout?). Today, there is no "Windows" team anymore, as they've been absorbed under the "Experiences and Devices" group. And increasingly, open source and embracing of other technologies has become a shocking priority (the decision to move to Chromium-based browser was especially shocking, but on further thought, consistent with Satya's philosophy). So, yeah! I'm pretty optimistic of Microsoft's future. It's going to take some time to shed a lot of the old image it earned under Bill Gates in the 90's and Steve Ballmer more recently. But in my opinion, I think the company has by now earned what will likely take a few more years to become more apparent to the rest of the world. Basically, the CEO didn't just transform the company from a Windows-based business to a Cloud service provider; he absolutely moved to change the culture as the foundation for that move.
- 3131s 7y ago
  Because the US government does repulsive things and many of you are enabling them.
Analemma_ 7y ago
Former Microsoftie here. I imagine there will be a lot of unrest inside the company about this, and I think things are about to get tricky for Nadella. Up until now he's been largely able to be above a lot of the labor disputes that have been roiling the other FAANGs recently, but that's mostly out of luck: Microsoft's business doesn't involve arbitrating culture war disputes on social media or search reuslts, nor employing underpaid warehouse workers. But now there's going to be no way to wiggle out of the fact that this money is coming from Trump's DoD, and $10 billion isn't a paltry sum that they can just wave off to claim the moral high ground. Satya's next "fireside chat" is going to be tremendously awkward, I think.
- randiantech 7y ago
  Its not Trump DoD. Its US DoD.
- Mountain_Skies 7y ago
  How is "Trump's DOD" different from Obama's DOD?
  - yourbandsucks 7y ago
    The noise is entirely different. And the cheering morons who enabled the Iraq war mostly just want noise. They hated Obama, he killed quietly with maximum public respect to the nation/culture involved. They love Trump, who despite everything else is somehow pretty anti-war for a US President considering who he's surrounded by.
    - Scipio_Afri 7y ago
      He's not anti war as much as he's anti policy that pushes up against Russian spheres of influence. You see no issue with, and in fact a lot of funding and support increase to, Saudi Arabia. Where as Obama had put a pause on things during the initial outbreak. Didn't condemn things outright in public, but the Obama administration was definitely taking a step back during the Yemen war. The trump administration also has changed the rules of engagement for military strikes on ISIS and other terrorists to allow for the potential of more collateral damage or civilian deaths. The Obama administration set that threshold pretty high to prevent blowback for our actions and feeding terrorist propaganda.
tootahe45 7y ago
Probably amazing, while a small minority of the triggered will get all the news time as usual.
swebs 7y ago
Anyone who would care about this should have left when Windows 10 pushed out forced spying on users.
seshagiric 7y ago
This is an important question and also an example of how Satya Nadella played his job really well. By clearly stating that Microsoft will not deny democratic governments access to the latest technology, he deftly put stop to any potential discussions about tech mis-use (e.g. like the employee outburst at Google). Not saying decision is good or bad but in terms of setting clarity this was really critical.
valleyjo 7y ago
Probably happy. Stock is up 3% in after hours trading.

I wonder how azure employees feel about this.

by foob4r 7y ago

I wonder how azure employees feel about this.

pinewurst 7y ago

Probably really good as many/most are stockholders too. I know I do.

meddlepal 7y ago

Very excited!

tozeur 7y ago

I don’t understand the repulsive feelings towards helping the govt. Would we rather have the people in control of the military and our troops use out-of-date tech?

hackingthenews 7y ago
What about the fact that privacy is becoming a thing of the past?
- pinewurst 7y ago
  I fear Google and Facebook far more than the US Army. I fail to see how rehosting ancient military logistics and business systems translates to a Lojack up our collective derrieres.
vkou 7y ago
I would rather the military be less capable, because its current capability is being used for offensive, not defensive purposes. If it's less capable, it's less likely to get embroiled in stupid imperialistic adventures. Edit: I don't understand why so many people are, at the same time, so enthused by the idea of starving government (Because they think most of its services are a waste of money), while at the same time, insisting on spending more on the military than the rest of the world combined.
- tozeur 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemonic_stability_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemonic_stability_theory
- ploxolo 7y ago
  So I take you approve of Trump's decision on Syria?
  - senderista 7y ago
    He advanced a long-term goal that I agree with (disengagement from Syria) in a manner I found stupid and immoral (abandoning the Kurds with no security guarantees and leaving potentially tens of thousands of IS prisoners free to escape).
- shitgoose 7y ago
  Actually the woke thing now is moar government. Way moar. Just wait for Warren to take office. And, what is truly bizarre - the same woke crowd is quite militaristic. It is not clear, is it just to spite Trump or because of general lack of brains, but what you observe is quite true.
  - mmmeff 7y ago
    This comment gave me woke cancer.
- 3131s 7y ago
  > I don't understand why so many people are, at the same time, so enthused by the idea of starving government (Because they think most of its services are a waste of money), while at the same time, insisting on spending more on the military than the rest of the world combined. “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
- paganel 7y ago
  > I would rather the military be less capable, because its current capability is being used for offensive, not defensive purposes. Same here, that’s why I’m glad this contract went to MS instead of AWS, as I see the latter as being technologically better than MS’s cloud solution.
Supermancho 7y ago
> Would we rather have the people in control of the military and our troops use out-of-date tech I don't trust or rely on any infrastructure that largely uses microsoft products...I'm sure there's some minor stuff hidden away here and there within systems. MSFT has a software philosophy, which is reciprocated in their culture, that can only be described as byzantine and unpredictable. They are basically 00's Oracle at this point.
- Aperocky 7y ago
  I thought they have reinvented themselves with the new embrace for linux and the cloud? I've always thought Windows OS is garbage but Microsoft seemed fine without it nowadays. Can anyone with Microsoft knowledge share a little bit about the culture and how it's changed?
  - mmmeff 7y ago
    Microsoft has definitely turned the corner in terms of culture with some projects like Typescript, WSL, .NET Core, etc., but Azure is very much still the "old Microsoft." It was started before this turn and has many of the same old stinks that anyone who's worked in Enterprise Microsoft-land can smell. They may yet right the ship as time goes on and their growing revenue points in the direction that they will, but anyone who's used all three major cloud-providers knows they're still at the bottom of the totem pole.
  - SapphireFog 7y ago
    MS employee here. No joke, the Microsoft of today is like a 180 from the Microsoft of even 3, or 5 years ago. Satya Nadella has been on a long-term campaign to transform the culture in some pretty inspiring ways, to be honest. It's led to the departure of long-time fixtures in leadership--the most shocking of which was the head of the Windows team (remember the agonizingly pushy nature of the Windows 10 rollout?). Today, there is no "Windows" team anymore, as they've been absorbed under the "Experiences and Devices" group. And increasingly, open source and embracing of other technologies has become a shocking priority (the decision to move to Chromium-based browser was especially shocking, but on further thought, consistent with Satya's philosophy). So, yeah! I'm pretty optimistic of Microsoft's future. It's going to take some time to shed a lot of the old image it earned under Bill Gates in the 90's and Steve Ballmer more recently. But in my opinion, I think the company has by now earned what will likely take a few more years to become more apparent to the rest of the world. Basically, the CEO didn't just transform the company from a Windows-based business to a Cloud service provider; he absolutely moved to change the culture as the foundation for that move.
3131s 7y ago
Because the US government does repulsive things and many of you are enabling them.

Analemma_ 7y ago

Former Microsoftie here. I imagine there will be a lot of unrest inside the company about this, and I think things are about to get tricky for Nadella. Up until now he's been largely able to be above a lot of the labor disputes that have been roiling the other FAANGs recently, but that's mostly out of luck: Microsoft's business doesn't involve arbitrating culture war disputes on social media or search reuslts, nor employing underpaid warehouse workers. But now there's going to be no way to wiggle out of the fact that this money is coming from Trump's DoD, and $10 billion isn't a paltry sum that they can just wave off to claim the moral high ground. Satya's next "fireside chat" is going to be tremendously awkward, I think.

randiantech 7y ago
Its not Trump DoD. Its US DoD.
Mountain_Skies 7y ago
How is "Trump's DOD" different from Obama's DOD?
- yourbandsucks 7y ago
  The noise is entirely different. And the cheering morons who enabled the Iraq war mostly just want noise. They hated Obama, he killed quietly with maximum public respect to the nation/culture involved. They love Trump, who despite everything else is somehow pretty anti-war for a US President considering who he's surrounded by.
  - Scipio_Afri 7y ago
    He's not anti war as much as he's anti policy that pushes up against Russian spheres of influence. You see no issue with, and in fact a lot of funding and support increase to, Saudi Arabia. Where as Obama had put a pause on things during the initial outbreak. Didn't condemn things outright in public, but the Obama administration was definitely taking a step back during the Yemen war. The trump administration also has changed the rules of engagement for military strikes on ISIS and other terrorists to allow for the potential of more collateral damage or civilian deaths. The Obama administration set that threshold pretty high to prevent blowback for our actions and feeding terrorist propaganda.

tootahe45 7y ago

Probably amazing, while a small minority of the triggered will get all the news time as usual.

swebs 7y ago

Anyone who would care about this should have left when Windows 10 pushed out forced spying on users.

seshagiric 7y ago

This is an important question and also an example of how Satya Nadella played his job really well. By clearly stating that Microsoft will not deny democratic governments access to the latest technology, he deftly put stop to any potential discussions about tech mis-use (e.g. like the employee outburst at Google). Not saying decision is good or bad but in terms of setting clarity this was really critical.

valleyjo 7y ago

Probably happy. Stock is up 3% in after hours trading.