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Oh boy, research showing differences between biological genders. This is going to either be ignored or absolutely explode.
by rpmisms 7y ago
Oh boy, research showing differences between biological genders. This is going to either be ignored or absolutely explode.
- leeoniya 7y agonot science until it can be reproduced. and since this is a psychological study...
- rpmisms 7y agoEdited, thanks.
- jevgeni 7y agoBy that logic, for example, math and some quantum physics are not science. This distinction is useless.
- NotAnEconomist 7y agoThat's.... true? Math isn't a science, and some quantum physics is regularly chided for being more philosophy than science, because it doesn't make testable predictions. The distinction seems useful.
- MagnumPIG 7y agoNot all branches of psychology are the same. Social psychology is generally pretty rigorous. For example you can calculate the average attitude and this will be consistently reproducible, assuming your methodology isn't too flawed. Of course there was a particularly public reproduction crisis, but the problem is endemic to academia as a whole, if perhaps in lower numbers (this remains to be seen).
- pintable 7y ago>biological genders The word you're looking for is "sex." There's no such thing as a "biological gender."
- meerita 7y agoThere are not even genders on humans, just sex.
- EForEndeavour 7y agoI honestly can't tell if you're joking. If you're serious, do you not believe there's a meaningful distinction between a person's biological sex at birth and the degree to which they self-identify with social constructs of masculinity and femininity?
- meerita 7y agoHumans don't have gender and they cannot have. Now the word gender replaced my terms. Humans have fantasies, delusions, traumas, etc. but gender, it's not even close. A person who identifies as an attack helicopter is not an attack helicopter, cannot be. You cannot auto assign yourself a kind of identify you're not.
- throw1234651234 7y ago"a term for a grammatical subclass to join sex in referring to either of the two primary biological forms of a species" Don't try to rewrite grammar to fit trends. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender
- pintable 7y agoI dunno how many times I've had to explain this to people. Usage and grammar literally aren't the same thing.
- rat9988 7y agoWell grammar is agreed on. Usage is something we agree on. Don't disagree on someone on the basis that his usage is wrong. His usage is as worthy as yours.
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- nine_k 7y agoSexes, not genders. Sexes are biological: chromosomes, hormones, body morphology. Genders are social: baby boys and girls have definite sexes, but their gender identifies are not the same as of grown-up straight men and women, to say nothing of genderqueer people, etc My hope is that the biological aspects are still in the realm of science.
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- freejulian85 7y agoGet a life.
- dang 7y agoPersonal attacks are not ok on HN. We ban accounts that do that. There are lots of (correctly) flagged comments in this miserable thread, but I'm afraid you've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly. Could you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take the spirit of this site to heart so we don't have to ban you again?
- shrimp_emoji 7y agoYes. Gender is arcane, fuzzy, some inscrutable configuration of the brain. Sex is concrete, logical, your allosome configuration. Phew. A bastion of sense in this crazy w-- >Genetic women with Turner syndrome have only one X chromosome; they often display less-developed female sexual characteristics than other women. And people with a genetic mosaic possess XX chromosomes in some cells and XY in others. So how do we determine if they're male or female? Hint: Don't say that it depends on the chromosomal makeup of the majority of their cells, since women with more than 90 per cent XY genetic material have given birth. [0] I-- >Sex can be much more complicated than it at first seems. According to the simple scenario, the presence or absence of a Y chromosome is what counts: with it, you are male, and without it, you are female. But doctors have long known that some people straddle the boundary—their sex chromosomes say one thing, but their gonads (ovaries or testes) or sexual anatomy say another. Parents of children with these kinds of conditions—known as intersex conditions, or differences or disorders of sex development (DSDs)—often face difficult decisions about whether to bring up their child as a boy or a girl. Some researchers now say that as many as 1 person in 100 has some form of DSD. [1] >When genetics is taken into consideration, the boundary between the sexes becomes even blurrier. Scientists have identified many of the genes involved in the main forms of DSD, and have uncovered variations in these genes that have subtle effects on a person's anatomical or physiological sex. What's more, new technologies in DNA sequencing and cell biology are revealing that almost everyone is, to varying degrees, a patchwork of genetically distinct cells, some with a sex that might not match that of the rest of their body. Some studies even suggest that the sex of each cell drives its behaviour, through a complicated network of molecular interactions. “I think there's much greater diversity within male or female, and there is certainly an area of overlap where some people can't easily define themselves within the binary structure,” says John Achermann, who studies sex development and endocrinology at University College London's Institute of Child Health. [1] >These discoveries do not sit well in a world in which sex is still defined in binary terms. Few legal systems allow for any ambiguity in biological sex, and a person's legal rights and social status can be heavily influenced by whether their birth certificate says male or female. [1] ... ¦´C 0: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/opinion/think-gender-comes-down-to-x-and-y-chromosomes-think-again/article24811543/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/opinion/think-gender-com... 1: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sex-redefined-the-idea-of-2-sexes-is-overly-simplistic1/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sex-redefined-the...
- elliekelly 7y agoThe research is about social psychological differences, not biological. More nurture than nature.
- progval 7y agoIt's sociology and psychology research, not biology. Biological explanation in this article is speculation not backed by the study.
- jgalt212 7y ago> Biological explanation You can't study that these days. The orthodoxy insists that any differences in outcomes are solely due to environment, power structures, implicit and explicit biases.
- ebiester 7y agoPerhaps that is because we can identify the implicit and explicit biases, power structures, and environmental issues that are in front of our faces, and that there are more differences that can be explained by them than by biological causes.
- jgalt212 7y agoYes, I hear you on this. It's the old nature vs nurture debate. And the leftist orthodoxy is against any theory, finding or research that would assign some non-trivial level of blame to nature. My beef is that the left, who like consider them pro-science, can at times be just as anti-science as the right.
- jacquesm 7y ago> And the leftist orthodoxy Please. Take this nonsense elsewhere.
- golemotron 7y agoBrains are biological constructs.
- progval 7y agoAnd biology is chemical constructs, yet we don't call them chemical genders. https://xkcd.com/435/ https://xkcd.com/435/
- ixtli 7y agoThis is an unsurprising position to hold when you don’t know (or refuse to acknowledge) the difference between gender and sex. Do you think people who transition to a different gender think there’s no difference between the two?
- rpmisms 7y agoI'm fully aware of the supposed distiction. Feel free to read my statement as "biologically implied gender".
- ixtli 7y agoIf you meant to say "assigned gender" you should just say that because otherwise it comes across differently.
- collyw 7y agoGender has until recently been a synonym for sex. If you are referring to gender identity, then use that term.
- lightbyte 7y agoI don't know if I would say recently, this distinction started becoming used in the early 60s which was almost 60 years ago.
- collyw 7y agoNot where I grew up. UK, so we know the language fairly well.
- dragonwriter 7y agoGender was used synonymously with sex before the differences between the things known as ascribed gender, gender identity, and sex were identified and became things that needed distinct labels.
- jevgeni 7y agoIt's social psychology and not biology.
- smt88 7y agoFirst of all, for the sake of clarity, most scientists differentiate between gender (a social role) and sex (a physiological characteristic)[1][2]. By "biological gender," I assume you mean, "The gender most often associated with the sex of the person." Second, you should probably also know that sex is also not binary even on a cellular level and is much more complicated than most laypeople understand[3]. Those things said: differences between biological sexes are not at all controversial except for maybe a few fringe-y people on Twitter or reddit. You really shouldn't assume that the loud, anonymous people on the internet represent any larger group. The actual argument from social liberals (in the US, where I live) is that there are biological differences on average, but that does not allow you to draw conclusions about a specific person based on their sexual organs. There is also a long history of extremely flawed gender research in the social sciences, partly because it's very easy to design and conduct a biased social experiment that no one will ever reproduce. 1. https://www.who.int/gender-equity-rights/understanding/gender-definition/en/ https://www.who.int/gender-equity-rights/understanding/gende... 2. https://www.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/japplphysiol.00376.2005 https://www.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/japplphysiol.003... 3. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sex-gender-and-sexuality-its-complicated/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sex-gender-and-sexuality-it...