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My low volume server can send mail very nicely. You can't however do your job half-assed, lack of strong SPF/TLS/DKIM isn't okay from both Google's and anti-spa

My low volume server can send mail very nicely. You can't however do your job half-assed, lack of strong SPF/TLS/DKIM isn't okay from both Google's and anti-spam perspective.

throwaway2048 7y ago
How are you verifying this? I encourage you to try sending to a gmail address you have never sent to before, I virtually guarantee you are going to end up spamboxed. I know lots of people that run low volume personal type servers, many have claimed that gmail doesn't spambox them, but they were always testing on a (handful of) personal account(s), when I got them to check with an account they had never mailed before, they were spam boxed literally 100% of the time. Properly setup, and strict FCrDNS, DMARC, DKIM, SPF, TLS and a clean IP and an old domain that have both never sent spam are absolutely not enough to avoid gmail's spambox.
- Avamander 7y ago
  I have verified it by helping people sign up for the small service I run and seeing the e-mails pop in their primary inbox. I guess I might be lucky then shrug.
sneak 7y ago
Doing all of that from a popular low-cost hosting provider like Hetzner is still insufficient to be able to send emails to new contacts. You still end up in spam.
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- vbezhenar 7y ago
  How do I choose provider? I checked my IP via talosintelligence.com and it seems that my /24 subnet is mostly neutral with 1 good. Using vultr.
baobabKoodaa 7y ago
If you would have actually read the link in the post you're replying to, you would know that Gmail is not accepting mail from me despite that I've spent a huge amount of time in verifying that everything is configured correctly. Also: please stop spreading unsubstantiated claims about your magical server magically sending mail past Gmail's spam filters. There's virtually no chance of that being true, and if it somehow was true, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
- perennate 7y ago
  > Also: please stop spreading unsubstantiated claims about your magical server magically sending mail past Gmail's spam filters. There's virtually no chance of that being true, and if it somehow was true, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I'm sure most people who run low-volume mail servers here have no problems sending to Gmail. I don't know why you think this is an extraordinary claim -- I can understand that they often block legitimate mail like in your case, but that doesn't mean that everyone has the same issue. I have occasional issues sending to Gmail but most of the time they accept it and don't mark it spam.
  - throwaway2048 7y ago
    >I'm sure most people who run low-volume mail servers here have no problems sending to Gmail. Based on direct experience and >testing< (I have talked to about 20 people with personal mail servers about this, and got them to attempt to send me email, on an account that had never interacted with their domain before), 100% of their emails were spam boxed. Lots of people test gmail with their personal accounts, and think that email to gmail in general is delivered. In my experience, it basically never is if you are a small sender.
  - baobabKoodaa 7y ago
    > I'm sure most people who run low-volume mail servers here have no problems sending to Gmail. I don't know why you think this is an extraordinary claim Where are all these magical people with these magical abilities? How curious that not a single one of them is able to post any kind of evidence to support these incredulous claims. And funny how my comments on HN are getting downvoted and hidden when I ask for proof.
vcanales 7y ago
Same here. I also installed https://mailinabox.email https://mailinabox.email on a server and can send email to gmail recipients without trouble. I had some trouble with one of my domains a couple of years ago but it was only related to misconfiguration on my side.
- baobabKoodaa 7y ago
  Can you show proof for these claims?

My low volume server can send mail very nicely. You can't however do your job half-assed, lack of strong SPF/TLS/DKIM isn't okay from both Google's and anti-spam perspective.

throwaway2048 7y ago

How are you verifying this? I encourage you to try sending to a gmail address you have never sent to before, I virtually guarantee you are going to end up spamboxed. I know lots of people that run low volume personal type servers, many have claimed that gmail doesn't spambox them, but they were always testing on a (handful of) personal account(s), when I got them to check with an account they had never mailed before, they were spam boxed literally 100% of the time. Properly setup, and strict FCrDNS, DMARC, DKIM, SPF, TLS and a clean IP and an old domain that have both never sent spam are absolutely not enough to avoid gmail's spambox.

Avamander 7y ago
I have verified it by helping people sign up for the small service I run and seeing the e-mails pop in their primary inbox. I guess I might be lucky then shrug.

sneak 7y ago

Doing all of that from a popular low-cost hosting provider like Hetzner is still insufficient to be able to send emails to new contacts. You still end up in spam.

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vbezhenar 7y ago
How do I choose provider? I checked my IP via talosintelligence.com and it seems that my /24 subnet is mostly neutral with 1 good. Using vultr.

baobabKoodaa 7y ago

If you would have actually read the link in the post you're replying to, you would know that Gmail is not accepting mail from me despite that I've spent a huge amount of time in verifying that everything is configured correctly. Also: please stop spreading unsubstantiated claims about your magical server magically sending mail past Gmail's spam filters. There's virtually no chance of that being true, and if it somehow was true, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

perennate 7y ago
> Also: please stop spreading unsubstantiated claims about your magical server magically sending mail past Gmail's spam filters. There's virtually no chance of that being true, and if it somehow was true, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I'm sure most people who run low-volume mail servers here have no problems sending to Gmail. I don't know why you think this is an extraordinary claim -- I can understand that they often block legitimate mail like in your case, but that doesn't mean that everyone has the same issue. I have occasional issues sending to Gmail but most of the time they accept it and don't mark it spam.
- throwaway2048 7y ago
  >I'm sure most people who run low-volume mail servers here have no problems sending to Gmail. Based on direct experience and >testing< (I have talked to about 20 people with personal mail servers about this, and got them to attempt to send me email, on an account that had never interacted with their domain before), 100% of their emails were spam boxed. Lots of people test gmail with their personal accounts, and think that email to gmail in general is delivered. In my experience, it basically never is if you are a small sender.
- baobabKoodaa 7y ago
  > I'm sure most people who run low-volume mail servers here have no problems sending to Gmail. I don't know why you think this is an extraordinary claim Where are all these magical people with these magical abilities? How curious that not a single one of them is able to post any kind of evidence to support these incredulous claims. And funny how my comments on HN are getting downvoted and hidden when I ask for proof.

vcanales 7y ago

Same here. I also installed https://mailinabox.email https://mailinabox.email on a server and can send email to gmail recipients without trouble. I had some trouble with one of my domains a couple of years ago but it was only related to misconfiguration on my side.

baobabKoodaa 7y ago
Can you show proof for these claims?