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> But someone up the chain of command thought we could get away with it That person is Paul Machle (CFO): "I don’t understand. This should not be an opt in or

> But someone up the chain of command thought we could get away with it That person is Paul Machle (CFO): "I don’t understand. This should not be an opt in or an opt out. It is a condition of using our product. There is an acceptance of terms and the use of this data should be included in that." [1] [1] https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/merge_requests/14182#note_203849107 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/merge_requests/14182#no...

hn_throwaway_99 7y ago
Ouch, that whole thread under there is painfully oblivious: > @cciresi if we follow Paul's guidance and just make this part of our terms and conditions, are we covered legally? Earth to GitLab: You are not yet big enough to be at the "are we covered legally" stage. You are toast if that is your mindset.
- ryandrake 7y ago
  When someone raises an ethical question and instead of addressing ethics, the company calls in the lawyers to address whether it's legal... your company is likely on the wrong track.
  - elliekelly 7y ago
    To be fair I’d say half the time I’m summoned into a discussion like that it’s because the person asking fully expects and wants me to say no to the proposal. Raising an issue with the plan of action set forth by someone more senior can be tricky to navigate politically.
    - Aeolun 7y ago
      On the other hand, if you need to find a hill to die on, this is probably a good one.
  - rhizome 7y ago
    AKA "well it's not illegal," a lousy lower-bound.
lovehashbrowns 7y ago
Man, that reply in particular left the biggest impact on me. The fact that this c-level exec is making decisions like this in such a ham-fisted way would scare me away if I were a customer. There are a chain of repercussions as a result of this.
dboreham 7y ago
Having been in a few of these kinds of discussions inside companies, it's super-fascinating to find one that is open to the public! It shows what is always true: that any "corporate decision", seemingly made by some sort of AI machine, was actually made by one specific (usually unidentified) person. Popcorn moment for sure.
antisemiotic 7y ago
Twelve thumbs down and one middle finger. (I'm not a native speaker of emoji and I'm not sure what the 8 ball means). These are from employees?
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hn_throwaway_99 7y ago

Ouch, that whole thread under there is painfully oblivious: > @cciresi if we follow Paul's guidance and just make this part of our terms and conditions, are we covered legally? Earth to GitLab: You are not yet big enough to be at the "are we covered legally" stage. You are toast if that is your mindset.

ryandrake 7y ago
When someone raises an ethical question and instead of addressing ethics, the company calls in the lawyers to address whether it's legal... your company is likely on the wrong track.
- elliekelly 7y ago
  To be fair I’d say half the time I’m summoned into a discussion like that it’s because the person asking fully expects and wants me to say no to the proposal. Raising an issue with the plan of action set forth by someone more senior can be tricky to navigate politically.
  - Aeolun 7y ago
    On the other hand, if you need to find a hill to die on, this is probably a good one.
- rhizome 7y ago
  AKA "well it's not illegal," a lousy lower-bound.

lovehashbrowns 7y ago

Man, that reply in particular left the biggest impact on me. The fact that this c-level exec is making decisions like this in such a ham-fisted way would scare me away if I were a customer. There are a chain of repercussions as a result of this.

dboreham 7y ago

Having been in a few of these kinds of discussions inside companies, it's super-fascinating to find one that is open to the public! It shows what is always true: that any "corporate decision", seemingly made by some sort of AI machine, was actually made by one specific (usually unidentified) person. Popcorn moment for sure.

antisemiotic 7y ago

Twelve thumbs down and one middle finger. (I'm not a native speaker of emoji and I'm not sure what the 8 ball means). These are from employees?

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