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Thanks Gitlab
- matthuggins 7y agoWhat am I looking at?
- omarhaneef 7y agoThe number of daily sign ups for sourcehut. This is billed as a competitor to GitLab. GitLab announced something about allowing some sort of telemetry on its site -- I didn't look into the details but its all over HN -- and people have complained that this might imply privacy violations. So this alternative to GitLab got a bump in signups.
- fatbas202 7y agoThank you for providing context.
- sytse 7y agoWe also called out our signups at GitLab when GitHub got acquired, so it is more than fair that Drew is posting this. BTW As Drew said https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/merge_requests/33289#note_235146489 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/merge_requests/... we're pumping the brakes on the telemetry changes.
- protomikron 7y ago> [...] we're pumping the brakes on the telemetry changes So you revert (don't implement it)? Thx! Reverting it is the right decision (I hope that means "pumping the brakes").
- esotericn 7y agoFrom what I can tell they're still going to do it, but in a different way, e.g. it might be opt in (hopefully not in a fake-opt-in style like a GDPR popup) or opt out or whatever. Fundamentally they want to do telemetry it seems and are trying to figure out a hack to get people to accept it.
- emilycook 7y ago(GitLab employee) we're discussing other options too, I'm personally advocating strongly against just going ahead with the current plan. My preference would be for no third-party involvement and just better ways to analyze the data we already have
- 0x8BADF00D 7y agoI got an email from you guys yesterday and I have to say I was quite confused. My company is an EE customer and we pay for our seats. Why are you including this telemetry? For the free version I understand, but you should not be treating your enterprise customers like this.
- sytse 7y agoI'm sorry our plans were so far off the mark.
- acrispino 7y agoPump the brakes? No. Reverse course, before your product ends up in the same place as github.
- scrollaway 7y agoI got Gitlab's email and immediately knew people would be freaking out about it. The fallacy of transparency: The more transparent you are, the more people think you're up to some shady shit. It's crazy.
- JohnFen 7y agoThat's not the fallacy of transparency. The real fallacy is when companies think that doing shady shit is OK as long as they're transparent about it.
- scrollaway 7y agoSomeone's going to have to explain to me how Gitlab is doing something shady with this stuff. Unless I'm misreading all this, it all looks like very standard telemetry, the same kind Github is doing.
- gbear605 7y agoPart of the issue is that proprietary software would be running from a company that advertises itself as being oriented around free software. In addition, it would apply to the enterprise deployments, which is bad because enterprises can’t allow telemetry for regulatory and security reasons.
- scrollaway 7y ago> Part of the issue is that proprietary software would be running from a company that advertises itself as being oriented around free software. They're also running on Google's cloud, which is mostly proprietary software. And I can tell you right now they use the most-definitely-closed-source Salesforce for a lot of stuff. Do you think there's actually a significant amount of people who care about the license type of the internal tools of the companies they use?
- gbear605 7y ago
- nurettin 7y agosomeone's git hosting service gets more signups because of bad PR by gitlab.
- guiraldelli 7y agoSorry, but that's an understatement of what sourcehut.org is.
- znpy 7y agoUh, I just signed up today. After gitlab stupid decision sourcehut looks a lot more interesting and not I want to see it in action.
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- knolax 7y agoCan somebody give me some context? OP is just a Mastodon post showing signup numbers (for Sourcehut?).
- snazz 7y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21346456 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21346456
- eitland 7y agoI posted it for three reasons: - directly related to another huge topic - maybe more people will notice there are alternatives to Twitter - to send more business in the way of sourcehut (completely unaffiliated, just felt like a nice thing to do)
- sergiotapia 7y agowhat is the context?
- jordigh 7y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21346456 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21346456
- EugeneOZ 7y agoGuys, your mobile view really need some care.
- rvz 7y ago> If my competitors keep making stupid decisions then making SourceHut successful will be pretty easy I know it is early days for SourceHut but this sounds realistic on some conditions. Due to the closed-source nature of Github + MS and this magnificent own goal from GitLab which disqualifies its claim to supporting "free and open source" projects, it should be only "easy" for SourceHut to be sustainable and supporting free software ethics as long as it resists VC funding and is self-funded with paid support. Without more convincing features and a matching similar interface rivaling GitHub/GitLab/Bitbucket it may go otherwise, but it already has some of essential features already and I hope this true free-software alternative succeeds. This is as close as it gets to creating a service that truly supports free-software with paid support.
- packetlost 7y agoIt will probably never have anywhere near feature parity with GitLab or GitHub in the browser. Part of it's goals are to remain simple and minimize JavaScript usage. Which is noble in it's own right IMO. But it's straight up impossible to do a lot of what Git{Hub,Lab} do without JS.
- sah2ed 7y ago> And Drew DeVault is kind of an asshole This sentence was totally uncalled for.
- packetlost 7y agoHis software is fantastic and he's an exceptional engineer. But I also personally know people that were turned off of Sourcehut because of the way he interacts with the community in some cases. When your project is a one man (now two) show, that kind of thing matters a lot.
- carapace 7y agoC'mon with this gossipy rumor-mongering. Here, let me fix that for you: "And I think Drew DeVault is kind of an asshole."
- chefschef 7y agoWhat's the context here, exactly?
- ivl 7y agoAnd it's being hugged down after getting to the top. Unfortunate, I'm sure SourceHut is seeing a nice bump, and it seems like quite a well built product.
- sysashi 7y agoDrew is always on spot with his marketing. :) I think it would be good to link related blog post - https://sourcehut.org/blog/2019-10-23-srht-puts-users-first/ https://sourcehut.org/blog/2019-10-23-srht-puts-users-first/ (maybe that would give some context)
- vkaku 7y agoOK, Context for people: Apparently GitLab said it was going to telemetry, so a competitor, SourceHut saw a surge in signups. To me, it's a sign that if someone is adding telemetry for on-premise software, it better be opt-in.
- maximente 7y agogreat stuff, an idiotic play by a bigger fish likely provides the biggest marketing opportunity for sourcehut it has ever had up until this point, and this guy is taking advantage of it. there's also something grand about the fact that this was posted on mastodon (instead of twitter) to complete the FLOSS cosmic justice cycle
- Sir_Cmpwn 7y agoMy Mastodon is being hugged to death, so here's the content: @sir@cmpwn.com Thanks Gitlab image: https://sr.ht/qAVP.png https://sr.ht/qAVP.png @sir@cmpwn.com If my competitors keep making stupid decisions then making SourceHut successful will be pretty easy @sir@cmpwn.com Hi HN, the missing context is that this is signups for sourcehut.org, a GitLab competitor, in the wake of news that they'd be adding third-party telemetry to their software. --- Note, I mostly use my Mastodon account for shitposting, this isn't a serious marketing avenue or anything. This is my personal Mastodon instance, its infrastructure not holding up under load has no impact on SourceHut availability.
- the_duke 7y agoI'm curios why the post about Gitlab [1] was marked as a duplicate and thereby banished from the front page, without any other post in sight. YCombinator favoritism? ( Gitlab was part of YCombinator 2015 ) [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21343761 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21343761 Edit: Number 22 yesterday. https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2019-10-23 https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2019-10-23 Must have missed it. Seems fine to me.
- CaliforniaKarl 7y agoI don't think so. Personally, I did flag the post you mentioned, because that same thing (discussing introducing telemetry) was on the front page yesterday (Yesterday), for most of the day (or, at least, for most of the US/Pacific day). I wouldn't be surprised if there is a policy where if an "item" (a topic, a post, whatever) hits the front page, then it should not appear again immediately after (unless there's some new development).
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- the_duke 7y agoAh, I missed it yesterday. Number 22. (https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2019-10-23 https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2019-10-23)
- dang 7y agoIt was marked as a duplicate because it was a duplicate of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21344575 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21344575, which spent over 14 hours on HN's front page and got over 200 upvotes. Now there are three threads; those two and this one, which is currently on the front page. I'm happy to merge them, but am not sure which submission should win. Edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21343761 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21343761 has the most substantive discussion of the fresh threads, so I guess we'll undupe that one and merge. Give me a few minutes because it's a bit tricky when there are more than two. Edit 2: Ok, I've merged all the comments into the thread except for the ones which were explicitly about this post in a way that wouldn't make sense over there.
- oneepic 7y agoThis is kind of a shitty, disrespectful thing to post. Really it's just insulting a competitor. I'm not a fan of GitLab's decision either, but this shouldn't be frontpage HN.
- sytse 7y agoWe called out the increasing signups at GitLab when GitHub got acquired, so from our side it is more than fair that Drew is posting this. BTW As Drew said https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/merge_requests/33289#note_235146489 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/merge_requests/... we're pumping the brakes on the telemetry changes.
- RussianCow 7y agoI think OP was referring to this specifically: > If my competitors keep making stupid decisions then making SourceHut successful will be pretty easy He could have posted the same thing with the same effect without being outright rude.
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- sytse 7y agoAh, thanks. I only looked at the first post https://cmpwn.com/@sir/103018233505800721 https://cmpwn.com/@sir/103018233505800721 not the rest of the thread.
- shaki-dora 7y agoYeah, Gitlab has indeed been known for some shitty PR. Like repeatedly accusing Github of copying features, even though Gitlab as a whole started out as an almost identical clone of Github.
- gbear605 7y agoDrew treats his Mastadon as a somewhat personal place and had not intended it to be posting here. So yes, perhaps it shouldn’t be here, but it’s not really insulting a competitor. See: https://cmpwn.com/@sir/103018388460813380 https://cmpwn.com/@sir/103018388460813380 https://cmpwn.com/@sir/103018399211308183 https://cmpwn.com/@sir/103018399211308183 https://cmpwn.com/@sir/103018430813804744 https://cmpwn.com/@sir/103018430813804744
- buboard 7y agoPassive aggressive title, frivolous outrage of the day, Top frontpage seat confirmed.
- dang 7y ago"Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- new_realist 7y ago100 signups a day? sourcehut is already dead, they just don’t know it yet.
- luord 7y agoThis reminded me that I've been putting off trying sourcehut. Gotta get on that.