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“that westerners would want to overthrow capitalism.” Almost nobody wants to overthrow capitalism. People want to make adjustments to the current form of it to
by Ididntdothis 7y ago
“that westerners would want to overthrow capitalism.”
Almost nobody wants to overthrow capitalism. People want to make adjustments to the current form of it to address concerns. That’s very legitimate and necessary in a functioning democracy. The people who scream “socialism “ all the time just want to move the discussion to extremes
- nohope 7y ago> Almost nobody wants to overthrow capitalism. People want to make adjustments to the current form of it to address concerns. You are right, and that is exactly the problem, since it is something history proved impossible to be reformed. EDIT: reforming capitalism is a long term desire from part of the humankind. It is not a new idea and has yield very long discussions [1]. So, the big idea today is indeed how to overthrow it in favour of another form of social organization. [1] https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1900/reform-revolution/ https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1900/reform-revol...
- Ididntdothis 7y agoReforming capitalism has been done in many countries for a long time by adjusting policies. Has worked great . There is no way you can organize a society without making constant adjustments no matter what the ideology is.
- NeedMoreTea 7y agoWe abandoned Bretton Woods and triggered the hugely inflationary seventies - the 73 oil crisis helped a lot here too. We've had, and still have, the Nordic model. Capitalism is dramatically different today than it was in the 1960s in most countries. We've had the monetarism/neoliberal experiment for 40 years. We've had globalisation to completely disconnect capitalism (and capital) from government, country and employee - just join the global race to the bottom. We have had a huge number of reforms to capitalism. Trouble is for the last 40 years all reforms have been in one direction: In favour of the capitalist.
- devsag 7y agoThe only difference is there was no labor capital at that period. The risk of capital has been transferred to labor from capitalists. The real change in government happened through Reagan who legalized big corps and started the age of M&A. Globalisation also did help in economy but countries like China which have closed markets but access to open markets lead to more marginalization of labor.
- AnimalMuppet 7y agoReagan legalized big corps? Say what? There were big corps before Reagan. General Motors, say.
- Reedx 7y agoThe number of people embracing extremes has increased rapidly though (generally, and on both sides). In regards to this, "Replace Capitalism" seems to be gaining ground faster than "Improve Capitalism". 43% of Americans say socialism would be a good thing for the country[1] 1. https://news.gallup.com/poll/257639/four-americans-embrace-form-socialism.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/257639/four-americans-embrace-f...
- Ididntdothis 7y agoI don’t think they mean socialism in the sense of the Soviet Union but more what Europe does. And whole Western Europe is deeply capitalist.
- marcosdumay 7y agoWell, "some form of socialism" is hardly an extreme position.