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So, FireFox or Brave? I'm currently using Brave and very happy with it.

FactolSarin 7y ago
I think Brave is fine, but the important difference between the two is that Brave is Chromium, and ultimately dependent on Chromium development. Firefox is 100% independent, and a true "third party" browser implementation. With Microsoft/Edge switching to Chromium I think that's more important than ever.
zaarn 7y ago
Firefox unless you want to continue to support Google's development of a privacy hostile browser (Brave is after all a Chromium browser).
bn7t 7y ago
There are good reasons not to use brave: - received venture capital from Peter Thiel (Chairman of Palantir) - BAT tokens aren't backed by any real value - https://jlelse.blog/posts/ditch-chrome/ https://jlelse.blog/posts/ditch-chrome/ More reasons: https://twitter.com/corbindavenport/status/1134143209389666305 https://twitter.com/corbindavenport/status/11341432093896663...
- floatboth 7y ago
  IIRC they even collected the tokens on behalf of sites that didn't sign up, creating a quite weird and rather unethical "you basically have to sign up now" situation for publishers.
ahbyb 7y ago
Brave is fine, in fact I find it faster than Firefox.
zelly 7y ago
If Mozilla had any sense of the future, they would start working on Brave instead of Firefox. Chromium already won on technical reasons. Now someone needs to professionally maintain a privacy fork of it.
- lukebitts 7y ago
  What are those technical reasons?
  - zelly 7y ago
    JavaScript engine optimization Devtools Every benchmark: https://arewefastyet.com/linux64/overview?numDays=365 https://arewefastyet.com/linux64/overview?numDays=365 Anecdotally, Firefox uses a lot more CPU, memory, and battery. Makes sense since the JS engine is so much worse. In this era the browser is just a VM for JavaScript.
    - sp332 7y ago
      Your benchmark page shows FF winning 29 benchmarks and Chrome winning 14.
    - abdulmuhaimin 7y ago
      So how is that "won on technical reasons"? more than half of those benchmarks, Firefox are faster
    - floatboth 7y ago
      For CSS, Firefox devtools are far, far ahead of everything else. JS debugging was a bit behind Chrome, but it should be on par now, except maybe in performance tracing.
      - Vinnl 7y ago
        Firefox has pretty good performance tools now: https://profiler.firefox.com/ https://profiler.firefox.com/
    - inetknght 7y ago
      Javascript is a terrible language and many users actively fight it by turning it off. Those users don't typically show up in whatever javascript-based metrics you're looking at. I don't think you'd care, either. You're literally building an echo chamber and then yelling into it that it's the best echo chamber. Chrome is neither the "best" nor the "worst" javascript VM, nor is Firefox. Chrome is simply the most prolific. And that has nothing to do with Chrome's javascript implementation and everything to do with Google pushing hard for users and developers to switch to Chrome by putting it in front of their faces as much and often as possible. Everything from default-homepage being defaulted to Google.com, to that home page then asking users to switch to Chrome, and even "open sourcing" the engine and pushing for games and "competitors" to utilize it. I have yet to find Firefox use more CPU, memory, or battery than Chrome. Of course I don't go around with Javascript turned on with every website either. Given that so many websites utilize Google-based services it makes me wonder just how much of the "more CPU, more memory, and more battery" is also just "more of the same underhanded tactics from Google". Google already demonstrably does that for other products; why leave out third parties' websites from the shenanigans?
aerique 7y ago
Firefox since Brave use the Chrome rendering engine, thus expanding the monoculture and helping Google.
geraltofrivia 7y ago
This crops up very often. I'm compiling a list of both for-against reasons on r/firefox. Feel free to check it out - https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/dligci/a_goto_thread_for_choosing_firefox_over_brave_or/ https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/dligci/a_goto_thre...

I think Brave is fine, but the important difference between the two is that Brave is Chromium, and ultimately dependent on Chromium development. Firefox is 100% independent, and a true "third party" browser implementation. With Microsoft/Edge switching to Chromium I think that's more important than ever.

zaarn 7y ago

Firefox unless you want to continue to support Google's development of a privacy hostile browser (Brave is after all a Chromium browser).

bn7t 7y ago

There are good reasons not to use brave: - received venture capital from Peter Thiel (Chairman of Palantir) - BAT tokens aren't backed by any real value - https://jlelse.blog/posts/ditch-chrome/ https://jlelse.blog/posts/ditch-chrome/ More reasons: https://twitter.com/corbindavenport/status/1134143209389666305 https://twitter.com/corbindavenport/status/11341432093896663...

floatboth 7y ago
IIRC they even collected the tokens on behalf of sites that didn't sign up, creating a quite weird and rather unethical "you basically have to sign up now" situation for publishers.

ahbyb 7y ago

Brave is fine, in fact I find it faster than Firefox.

zelly 7y ago

If Mozilla had any sense of the future, they would start working on Brave instead of Firefox. Chromium already won on technical reasons. Now someone needs to professionally maintain a privacy fork of it.

lukebitts 7y ago
What are those technical reasons?
- zelly 7y ago
  JavaScript engine optimization Devtools Every benchmark: https://arewefastyet.com/linux64/overview?numDays=365 https://arewefastyet.com/linux64/overview?numDays=365 Anecdotally, Firefox uses a lot more CPU, memory, and battery. Makes sense since the JS engine is so much worse. In this era the browser is just a VM for JavaScript.
  - sp332 7y ago
    Your benchmark page shows FF winning 29 benchmarks and Chrome winning 14.
  - abdulmuhaimin 7y ago
    So how is that "won on technical reasons"? more than half of those benchmarks, Firefox are faster
  - floatboth 7y ago
    For CSS, Firefox devtools are far, far ahead of everything else. JS debugging was a bit behind Chrome, but it should be on par now, except maybe in performance tracing.
    - Vinnl 7y ago
      Firefox has pretty good performance tools now: https://profiler.firefox.com/ https://profiler.firefox.com/
  - inetknght 7y ago
    Javascript is a terrible language and many users actively fight it by turning it off. Those users don't typically show up in whatever javascript-based metrics you're looking at. I don't think you'd care, either. You're literally building an echo chamber and then yelling into it that it's the best echo chamber. Chrome is neither the "best" nor the "worst" javascript VM, nor is Firefox. Chrome is simply the most prolific. And that has nothing to do with Chrome's javascript implementation and everything to do with Google pushing hard for users and developers to switch to Chrome by putting it in front of their faces as much and often as possible. Everything from default-homepage being defaulted to Google.com, to that home page then asking users to switch to Chrome, and even "open sourcing" the engine and pushing for games and "competitors" to utilize it. I have yet to find Firefox use more CPU, memory, or battery than Chrome. Of course I don't go around with Javascript turned on with every website either. Given that so many websites utilize Google-based services it makes me wonder just how much of the "more CPU, more memory, and more battery" is also just "more of the same underhanded tactics from Google". Google already demonstrably does that for other products; why leave out third parties' websites from the shenanigans?

aerique 7y ago

Firefox since Brave use the Chrome rendering engine, thus expanding the monoculture and helping Google.

geraltofrivia 7y ago

This crops up very often. I'm compiling a list of both for-against reasons on r/firefox. Feel free to check it out - https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/dligci/a_goto_thread_for_choosing_firefox_over_brave_or/ https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/dligci/a_goto_thre...