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It's incredible how aggressively Lyft "woke-washed" their brand...and that people actually fell for it. If you had problems with Uber's business model, then Ly

by tempsy 7y ago

It's incredible how aggressively Lyft "woke-washed" their brand...and that people actually fell for it. If you had problems with Uber's business model, then Lyft is the exact same thing, though would argue Uber has built much more comprehensive safety features directly into their app than Lyft.

pstuart 7y ago
I fell for it with eyes intentionally closed, just like I have to do in so many other instances where I know that my luxuries have negative impacts on the world.
- lmpostor 7y ago
  I got this blue pill I want to sell you :)
  - pstuart 7y ago
    It's certainly a delicate dance, isn't it?
ProAm 7y ago
On a humanitarian level Uber is by far worse.
- tempsy 7y ago
  according to the media...not necessarily on purely objective terms
  - droopyEyelids 7y ago
    In support of your comment: We only hear about the abuses that happen to the white collar workers at these companies. However, the VAST majority of their workers are the voiceless blue collar drivers. Uber or Lyft could have a culture of handling driver-abuse that is beneficial or detrimental to hundreds of thousands, and we'd almost never hear about it.
    - tempsy 7y ago
      Yep - not sure why it's so controversial to suggest the media narrative is different than the opinion of actual drivers. Ask your driver next time which app they prefer.
    - ProAm 7y ago
      Even with how Uber has treated riders is horrific at times, no need to just focus on the employees/contractors. See my comment above for evidence.
  - ProAm 7y ago
    I'm sorry, Im pretty sure the evidence is clear [1] This is just one example. "A top Uber executive, who obtained the medical records of a customer who was a rape victim, has been fired" > according to the media... Who else besides the media should we listen to?.. the employees? Like this one? " As most of you know, I left Uber in December and joined Stripe in January. I've gotten a lot of questions over the past couple of months about why I left and what my time at Uber was like. It's a strange, fascinating, and slightly horrifying story that deserves to be told while it is still fresh in my mind, so here we go" [2] [1] https://www.vox.com/2017/6/7/15754316/uber-executive-india-assault-rape-medical-records https://www.vox.com/2017/6/7/15754316/uber-executive-india-a... [2] https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on-one-very-strange-year-at-uber https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on-on...
folkhack 7y ago
They were higher margins for drivers for a while (2012ish) but the market has equalized that all out to the point where I've been told drivers make the same regardless of app these days (by drivers).
1123581321 7y ago
It is, but as a continued Uber customer, I see it as a good thing. Uber needed a scary competitor in the US to force them to change quickly. They had playbooks to deal with regulatory threats that would have maintained status quo. Their playbook to deal with competitors was to quickly deploy changes that would erase Uber’s comparative deficiencies. Against Lyft, that deficiency was a lack of moral behavior signaling and the most straightforward way to achieve parity in that area was to uproot and out bad internal actors. :)
cortesoft 7y ago
I thought a big issue with Uber was sexism in their corporate offices?
- tempsy 7y ago
  Any company with 10k full time employees will have some bad apples...
  - cortesoft 7y ago
    It is a bit different when the bad apple is the CEO and founder: https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/25/uber-ceo-kalanick-self-driving-car-crash/ https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/25/uber-ceo-kalanick-self-d...
    - tempsy 7y ago
      Those bars are everywhere in Korea, and if you read the story they didn't realize it was an "escort bar" until they were already there. I would blame the Uber Korea employees for bad judgement in bringing them there, not the CEO.
      - cortesoft 7y ago
        They picked women by number to join them... they don't get a pass just because they didn't pick the place
        tempsy 7y ago
        Yes that is how it works. All "picking" someone means is that they sit there with you and keep you company while drinking. It's tamer than a typical bachelorette party in Las Vegas.

by tempsy 7y ago

pstuart 7y ago

I fell for it with eyes intentionally closed, just like I have to do in so many other instances where I know that my luxuries have negative impacts on the world.

lmpostor 7y ago
I got this blue pill I want to sell you :)
- pstuart 7y ago
  It's certainly a delicate dance, isn't it?

ProAm 7y ago

On a humanitarian level Uber is by far worse.

tempsy 7y ago
according to the media...not necessarily on purely objective terms
- droopyEyelids 7y ago
  In support of your comment: We only hear about the abuses that happen to the white collar workers at these companies. However, the VAST majority of their workers are the voiceless blue collar drivers. Uber or Lyft could have a culture of handling driver-abuse that is beneficial or detrimental to hundreds of thousands, and we'd almost never hear about it.
  - tempsy 7y ago
    Yep - not sure why it's so controversial to suggest the media narrative is different than the opinion of actual drivers. Ask your driver next time which app they prefer.
  - ProAm 7y ago
    Even with how Uber has treated riders is horrific at times, no need to just focus on the employees/contractors. See my comment above for evidence.
- ProAm 7y ago
  I'm sorry, Im pretty sure the evidence is clear [1] This is just one example. "A top Uber executive, who obtained the medical records of a customer who was a rape victim, has been fired" > according to the media... Who else besides the media should we listen to?.. the employees? Like this one? " As most of you know, I left Uber in December and joined Stripe in January. I've gotten a lot of questions over the past couple of months about why I left and what my time at Uber was like. It's a strange, fascinating, and slightly horrifying story that deserves to be told while it is still fresh in my mind, so here we go" [2] [1] https://www.vox.com/2017/6/7/15754316/uber-executive-india-assault-rape-medical-records https://www.vox.com/2017/6/7/15754316/uber-executive-india-a... [2] https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on-one-very-strange-year-at-uber https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on-on...

folkhack 7y ago

They were higher margins for drivers for a while (2012ish) but the market has equalized that all out to the point where I've been told drivers make the same regardless of app these days (by drivers).

1123581321 7y ago

It is, but as a continued Uber customer, I see it as a good thing. Uber needed a scary competitor in the US to force them to change quickly. They had playbooks to deal with regulatory threats that would have maintained status quo. Their playbook to deal with competitors was to quickly deploy changes that would erase Uber’s comparative deficiencies. Against Lyft, that deficiency was a lack of moral behavior signaling and the most straightforward way to achieve parity in that area was to uproot and out bad internal actors. :)

cortesoft 7y ago

I thought a big issue with Uber was sexism in their corporate offices?

tempsy 7y ago
Any company with 10k full time employees will have some bad apples...
- cortesoft 7y ago
  It is a bit different when the bad apple is the CEO and founder: https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/25/uber-ceo-kalanick-self-driving-car-crash/ https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/25/uber-ceo-kalanick-self-d...
  - tempsy 7y ago
    Those bars are everywhere in Korea, and if you read the story they didn't realize it was an "escort bar" until they were already there. I would blame the Uber Korea employees for bad judgement in bringing them there, not the CEO.
    - cortesoft 7y ago
      They picked women by number to join them... they don't get a pass just because they didn't pick the place
      - tempsy 7y ago
        Yes that is how it works. All "picking" someone means is that they sit there with you and keep you company while drinking. It's tamer than a typical bachelorette party in Las Vegas.