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They follow the laws of countries they operate in. I don't see any problem with companies refusing to judge what is good or bad and just following the law.
by asulnatao 7y ago
They follow the laws of countries they operate in. I don't see any problem with companies refusing to judge what is good or bad and just following the law.
- baq 7y agoi don't need them to follow chinese law in my country thank you very much
- supercanuck 7y agoThey are applying Chinese “laws” to Americans in America
- castis 7y agoJust so we're all on the same page, they're applying their own pre-stated rules to people all over the world. I'm not advocating that what they're doing is right but lets not make things up.
- supercanuck 7y agoJust so we’re clear, they are applying these “rules” at the behest of an authoritarian, antidemocratic government. Nobody is making anything up.
- discobot 7y agoAuthoritarian ant antidemocratic government is just as legitimate as any other
- gbear605 7y agoA government is only legitimate when it truly represents the people who live there. The Beijing government is an illegitimate fascist mockery of a government. The only legitimate Chinese government is the democratic one in Taiwan.
- discobot 7y agoWe have United Nations to handle the issues like this, and from their point of view you are wrong.
- carapace 7y agoOr rather the UN has hurt their own legitimacy, eh?
- PavlovsCat 7y agoIndeed. Murder is not government: https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/storage/301/d5d23e36-3c35-11e8-a0c9-0a8fdb86ecba.jpeg https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/storage/301/d5d23e36-3c35-11e8...
- bcrosby95 7y agoJust to be clear, they have no rule about not talking about politics. Just a general "don't say anything that we determine offended someone" rule.
- LanceH 7y agoWhich they weren't going to enforce against the Americans, until it was pointed out. Then they belatedly enforced it to show they were consistently applying the rules and that it had nothing to do with China.
- riffraff 7y agomost of the shitstorm revolves around the fact that no, they aren't doing that. The pre-stated rules don't talk about politics but about offending users. So, ok, let's say that political statements are offensive, which is a weird proposition. This is not being enforced for other political views and statements, nor for all users, so clearly it's not applying a pre-stated rule. I feel the backtrack blizzard did can be considered a fair excusation, and people could reasonably forgive them, but let's not lie to ourselves by treating this as "just applying the rules".
- jrockway 7y agoThey are not. Right now, the #1 player on the Hearthstone Asia Wild ladder is named "HKisCHINESE". Meanwhile, you are prohibited from registering a battle.net account named "FreeHK". That is imposing China's rules. There is nothing illegal or even offensive about naming your gaming account "FreeHK". (Battle.net has plenty of political account names; seems like half the people in my Overwatch games are named Trump2020, and they're probably not talking about the Starcraft/Hearthstone streamer.) Edit: I did go to actually check, and this account is currently #2 and Asia and North America, and #1 in Europe. Clearly Blizzard is aware of it, though, and has chosen to take no action.
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- stale2002 7y agoNo, they are not. I am not sure why everyone keeps believing this lie. There was no rule that banned political statements. Instead the rule was something like "we can ban anyone for doing anything that might make blizzard look bad". It was absolutely not some specific rule about banning political statements.
- missosoup 7y ago> They follow the laws of countries they operate in Ah yes the good ole 'its ok to kill juden because that's what the powers that be said in Nazi Germany' Let's also take a moment to bring back the "they were just doing their jobs" for concentration camp operators who are now facing courts at 90 years old and receiving life sentences. Legal != ethical. Ethical != legal. Come at me wumao. DLLM.
- falcolas 7y agoThere's plenty of good arguments against Activision Blizzard's actions without having to resort to Nazis; doing so only weakens the position. EDIT: No matter the parallels between the CCP and Nazi Germany, bringing up Nazis will make many think "there's Goodwin's law in action again" and move on. Focus your arguments on the problems, not on making superficial comparisons.
- nixpulvis 7y agoIf we all agreed on following the same "law", we wouldn't need flags.
- corodra 7y agoAh, the days we will be drinking unicorn milk and Santa will start delivering presents again. Because that's totally going to happen. Countries within themselves barely function without split alliances, different parties and ambitions. Now you want 7 billion people to act as one? I'll faster reach richest guy on the planet before that happens. Quit pretending that wishful thinking is what you should bank on for better things to happen in the world.
- nixpulvis 7y agoYou've missed my point. Clearly we have flags => different "laws".
- corodra 7y agoMaybe if I can learn to levitate, I can change the lightbulbs in my house. No, get a ladder. Because the no country, no flag idea makes people blind to finding practical solutions.
- Supermancho 7y agoyour comment may have been in response to someone else. The practicality of unifying the world has nothing to do with what you responded to.
- LegitShady 7y agoSadly that law will be the lowest least permissable set of laws - they will apply some dictators rules to you so they can sell video games to the people he oppresses.
- corodra 7y ago>They follow the laws of countries they operate in. No comrade asulnatao. Since this is your first ever post with your account, they're an American company imposing Chinese censorship upon Americans and other nations. That's a hard no go. They follow whatever law they need to in their established foreign entities. But none of that spills out to anywhere else.
- knolax 7y agoNo comrade corodra, since you're (implicitly) accusing another user of being a shill, I can only conclude that you are the shill who, this being your first deployment on the GRU's shared HN account, is not aware of this forum's rules against accusing someone of being a shill.
- corodra 7y agoBwahahahahahaha Oh my god, that's funny. Especially since I've been posting anti-communist since, well, forever and even today. Good try there homie. Oh, that was funny. I actually laughed out loud. And also that's fine. Ban me. But remember, when they silence everyone else, there's no one left to speak up for you.
- knolax 7y ago> Especially since I've been posting anti-communist since, well, forever and even today Which is congruous with you being a GRU operative, or even a CCP shill spreading black propaganda by making poor arguments. > And also that's fine. Ban me. But remember, when they silence everyone else, there's no one left to speak up for you. Stop being melodramatic. Somebody disagreed with you on HN, you're not getting sent to a death camp. Plus you weren't exactly "speaking up" for me in the first place.
- whytaka 7y agoI was just following orders.