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The article is to a large extent about cause and effect, that the basic assumption is that the cause may be linguistic is odd to me.
by sorokod 7y ago
The article is to a large extent about cause and effect, that the basic assumption is that the cause may be linguistic is odd to me.
- acollins1331 7y agoHow could it be something other than linguistic? Do you think it's genetic?
- sorokod 7y agoWell, biological.
- lexicality 7y agoYou're suggesting koreans may be biologically different enough that they see more shades of green than everyone else?
- K0SM0S 7y agoPerception is trained, whether visual, auditory, etc. It's true that people who live next to the sea/ocean are trained to differentiate shades of blue and green much more than people who live in woody areas — shades of greens and yellows become much more sophisticated in such cases. Musicians tends to isolate sounds and timbers better (e.g. with a noisy background, or identifying precise instruments and effects in complex multi-instrumental pieces). Painters are typically a bunch of good examples of our very subjective color perception.
- enkid 7y agoSo, language develops due to the environment it is in, which also affects people's perception? That still doesn't sound biological
- cerealbad 7y agohuman biology adapts to the environment and forms the basic primitive culture. technology for over 10,000 years rapidly mixed cultures and to a lesser extent biologies forming: languages, empires, religions, and ages. the technological process is far more efficient at shaping our cognition than the slower evolutionary one which works through intergenerational selection events. this is a cumulative runaway event which makes sense- given that human intellect is probably a bad mutation for long term fitness and survival, as humans wiped out all of the other humanlike species (and dangerous megafauna) which might have kept us in some ecological niche like the other animals. all living things head towards extinction, but our strategy is to burn up rather than fade away.
- lexicality 7y agoLanguage has nothing to do with biology except in the purest form of it resulting in different meat shapes in your brain. As far as I'm aware, there is absolutely 0 evidence that language can be inherited - anecdotally at least because both my parents can speak French and I can't.
- cerealbad 7y agospecific languages are the result of history and territory. Language is an innate human capacity. the speed, breadth and depth of acquisition is measured relative to other humans. less methodical than athletics, art, music or mathematics- which are easier to measure. but definitely not as nebulous as influence, attraction, art or leadership- which are just now becoming measurable with proto artificial brains.
- tempguy9999 7y agoIt makes sense to me. It matches my experience. I can't think of examples, sorry, but I do know there have been times I've learnt new categories by words (and of course an explanation of where they differed; the semantics of the words), suddenly distinctions became obvious that weren't before. I wish I could recall examples, so this is just a vague statement of 'in my experience' but that linguistic distinction creates categories that allow easier 'recognition' of different concepts I'd lumped together before.
- sorokod 7y agoI think that a relevant example here would be categorizing "red" and " green" to a colour blind person.
- tempguy9999 7y agoI don't think so, as that categorisation can't be perceived by them. Like, they can't see it. I'm saying that once 2 categories had been conceptually distinguished, I could split them apart immediately because the difference had been explain, whereas they were amorphously lumped together in my head before. Typically those categories had different words, but even without that the distinction became evident.
- kadoban 7y agoIt's besides the point, but that's actually not how typical red-green colorblindness works. We can see both red and green as separate colors, it's just much harder to distinguish them than it is for other people (especially if they are mixed in with other colors). As far as I understand the physiology, our eyes are much less sensitive to green light, so it just doesn't stand out as much.
- tempguy9999 7y agoVery much on point, and I learned something. Ta.