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> Hurd settled with Fisher, who had once modeled for Playboy magazine, for undisclosed terms. The modeling for Playboy seems like a very gratuitous detail to

> Hurd settled with Fisher, who had once modeled for Playboy magazine, for undisclosed terms. The modeling for Playboy seems like a very gratuitous detail to include and doesn't seem to serve any purpose for the story.

spinach 7y ago
Cause it's easy to get the estimate of a man by the woman they date/marry.
- bluedevil2k 7y ago
  That comment is incredibly demeaning to women
  - elipsey 7y ago
    I actually can't tell who's being sarcastic here. I think that in general, if an executive has an afair with a model, that speaks to their personality or character, as choosing to date another engineer speaks to mine. If it appears mercenary, well, that seems like an expected quality in the CEO of Oracle. I aspire to conduct myself so that whenever I die I will be remembered as something more altruistic, or at least ethical than a corporate raider, or a politician who tried to sleep with his interns, etc.
  - swagtricker 7y ago
    Are you sure? I read that as being incredibly demeaning to men.
    - bluedevil2k 7y ago
      Yes I’m sure. You’re implying that because the woman posed for Playboy she’s now “damaged goods” and less deserving of respect by society. A man dating one of these “low society women” should be looked down upon as well. If the roles were reversed, if Carly Fiorina started dating a backup dancer from Magic Mike XXL, should we judge her negatively for that?
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  - cardiffspaceman 7y ago
    > > Cause it's easy to get the estimate of a man by the woman they date/marry. > Cause it's easy to get the estimate of a person by the people they date/marry. I think the second one is true. Not as true as some things. But if it is true then the first is true, since the second is more universal. > Many people believe they can estimate a person by the people the person dates/marries. It's possible Hurd believed this. Whether he thought he was moving the needle in his favor by any of his actions is probably unknowable. I see why you read the comment the way you did, and I suggest there is a different reading.
luma 7y ago
His relationship with Fisher was not inconsequential: https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-hurd-jodie-fisher-hp-2011-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-hurd-jodie-fisher-hp-20...
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 7y ago
  Agreed, but her modeling for Playboy had no part in making the relationship consequential. It is a gratuitous detail.
  - luma 7y ago
    Why not? If modelling was her thing, a Playboy appearance is a major accomplishment.
    - bitL 7y ago
      Getting into Playboy these days means that the model is able to find a sponsor that pays her appearance in the magazine. It is an achievement, but of a completely different kind than most people would have thought. Source: I am a photographer, know some of their models and they told me.
      - 1123581321 7y ago
        Can you explain further? Is the sponsor someone personally interested in the model’s career or is it a company that she is endorsing? What is the typical fee for this?
    - rchaud 7y ago
      That was a long time ago, when Playboy was relevant and a stepping stone to Baywatch, MTV or something along those lines. Can you even recall anyone who's been a cover model in the last 15 years? Or has graduated from Playboy modeling to something bigger and better?
  - mlyle 7y ago
    It has been alleged that Hurd hired her in large part for prurient purposes. She posed for Playboy; Hurd was involved in her hiring for "events" and then immediately commences an irregular relationship with her, including her being paid for work at places where there is no HP event but Hurd happens to be. It makes it look a lot more deliberate, than if, say, she had a career as an event presenter and then some time after hiring a sexual relationship commenced.
throwGuardian 7y ago
If the press doesn't remind you of all of his irrelevant vices, how will you even know to hate him, just like the writer of the article intended for you to?

spinach 7y ago

Cause it's easy to get the estimate of a man by the woman they date/marry.

bluedevil2k 7y ago
That comment is incredibly demeaning to women
- elipsey 7y ago
  I actually can't tell who's being sarcastic here. I think that in general, if an executive has an afair with a model, that speaks to their personality or character, as choosing to date another engineer speaks to mine. If it appears mercenary, well, that seems like an expected quality in the CEO of Oracle. I aspire to conduct myself so that whenever I die I will be remembered as something more altruistic, or at least ethical than a corporate raider, or a politician who tried to sleep with his interns, etc.
- swagtricker 7y ago
  Are you sure? I read that as being incredibly demeaning to men.
  - bluedevil2k 7y ago
    Yes I’m sure. You’re implying that because the woman posed for Playboy she’s now “damaged goods” and less deserving of respect by society. A man dating one of these “low society women” should be looked down upon as well. If the roles were reversed, if Carly Fiorina started dating a backup dancer from Magic Mike XXL, should we judge her negatively for that?
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- cardiffspaceman 7y ago
  > > Cause it's easy to get the estimate of a man by the woman they date/marry. > Cause it's easy to get the estimate of a person by the people they date/marry. I think the second one is true. Not as true as some things. But if it is true then the first is true, since the second is more universal. > Many people believe they can estimate a person by the people the person dates/marries. It's possible Hurd believed this. Whether he thought he was moving the needle in his favor by any of his actions is probably unknowable. I see why you read the comment the way you did, and I suggest there is a different reading.

luma 7y ago

His relationship with Fisher was not inconsequential: https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-hurd-jodie-fisher-hp-2011-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-hurd-jodie-fisher-hp-20...

RcouF1uZ4gsC 7y ago
Agreed, but her modeling for Playboy had no part in making the relationship consequential. It is a gratuitous detail.
- luma 7y ago
  Why not? If modelling was her thing, a Playboy appearance is a major accomplishment.
  - bitL 7y ago
    Getting into Playboy these days means that the model is able to find a sponsor that pays her appearance in the magazine. It is an achievement, but of a completely different kind than most people would have thought. Source: I am a photographer, know some of their models and they told me.
    - 1123581321 7y ago
      Can you explain further? Is the sponsor someone personally interested in the model’s career or is it a company that she is endorsing? What is the typical fee for this?
  - rchaud 7y ago
    That was a long time ago, when Playboy was relevant and a stepping stone to Baywatch, MTV or something along those lines. Can you even recall anyone who's been a cover model in the last 15 years? Or has graduated from Playboy modeling to something bigger and better?
- mlyle 7y ago
  It has been alleged that Hurd hired her in large part for prurient purposes. She posed for Playboy; Hurd was involved in her hiring for "events" and then immediately commences an irregular relationship with her, including her being paid for work at places where there is no HP event but Hurd happens to be. It makes it look a lot more deliberate, than if, say, she had a career as an event presenter and then some time after hiring a sexual relationship commenced.

throwGuardian 7y ago

If the press doesn't remind you of all of his irrelevant vices, how will you even know to hate him, just like the writer of the article intended for you to?