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There's something fundamentally different about women that enables them to give birth to children. Humanity has been discussing the differences in behaviour bet

There's something fundamentally different about women that enables them to give birth to children. Humanity has been discussing the differences in behaviour between these two groups for literally millennia. Are we really going to just decide by fiat that there is zero possibility of a difference in inclination or ability that lends itself to women simply not wanting to be in this field as much as men? You essentially have to practice some kind of biological denialism in order to believe this "problem" is entirely managerial in nature. Discussing biological differences between sexes should not be considered sexism.

chii 7y ago
what is more interesting to discuss is why the same fervour is not given to other jobs where an imbalance in gender exists (for example, registered nurses). There's also more male electricians than female ones. I feel that if females who would have made good engineers are turned away by discrimination or harassment, there's a good opportunity for a company to find hidden gems of an employee for lower cost than the equivalent male by making sure she is treated well. Then natural competition should balance out the cost difference over time.
- dlp211 7y ago
  For the record, there is absolutely a push to get more male nurses and there are orgs that try to get men into nursing.
  - mixmastamyk 7y ago
    How big is that push compared to the push mentioned in this thread? I have no numbers but my first guess is that it is smaller.
    - UserIsUnused 7y ago
      negligible. It's actually very simple. Programmers are big money makers for companies, specially good programmers. Programmers are mostly male, that means there is almost 50% of the population that s not even considering that career. How much easier will it be to hire new programmers if the hiring pool would almost double? There is no such problem in other areas. Not other "mostly male" or "mostly female" career is as effective for generating money for employers or is so hard to get good employees.
pgcj_poster 7y ago
Yeah, you're right. People just have to accept that back when we were living in caves, women did the child-rearing, and men did the computer programming, and by now it's hard-wired into our nature. If you doubt this, it must be because you don't believe that men and women differ biologically at all.
- DangitBobby 7y ago
  Ah, the straw-person in its natural habitat.
- core-questions 7y ago
  I mean, if you don't think there were gender roles during the caveman days that had critical impact on our evolution and the formation of civilization, then so be it. Tactical nihilism is super cool, just disbelieve everything and reject all premises! We'll arrive at a perfect mathematical sphere of truth eventually, right?

chii 7y ago

what is more interesting to discuss is why the same fervour is not given to other jobs where an imbalance in gender exists (for example, registered nurses). There's also more male electricians than female ones. I feel that if females who would have made good engineers are turned away by discrimination or harassment, there's a good opportunity for a company to find hidden gems of an employee for lower cost than the equivalent male by making sure she is treated well. Then natural competition should balance out the cost difference over time.

dlp211 7y ago
For the record, there is absolutely a push to get more male nurses and there are orgs that try to get men into nursing.
- mixmastamyk 7y ago
  How big is that push compared to the push mentioned in this thread? I have no numbers but my first guess is that it is smaller.
  - UserIsUnused 7y ago
    negligible. It's actually very simple. Programmers are big money makers for companies, specially good programmers. Programmers are mostly male, that means there is almost 50% of the population that s not even considering that career. How much easier will it be to hire new programmers if the hiring pool would almost double? There is no such problem in other areas. Not other "mostly male" or "mostly female" career is as effective for generating money for employers or is so hard to get good employees.

pgcj_poster 7y ago

Yeah, you're right. People just have to accept that back when we were living in caves, women did the child-rearing, and men did the computer programming, and by now it's hard-wired into our nature. If you doubt this, it must be because you don't believe that men and women differ biologically at all.

DangitBobby 7y ago
Ah, the straw-person in its natural habitat.
core-questions 7y ago
I mean, if you don't think there were gender roles during the caveman days that had critical impact on our evolution and the formation of civilization, then so be it. Tactical nihilism is super cool, just disbelieve everything and reject all premises! We'll arrive at a perfect mathematical sphere of truth eventually, right?