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Counterpoint: many tech workers want some agency over what they are building and don't want to be forced to work on nefarious applications. I don't seek an outs

Counterpoint: many tech workers want some agency over what they are building and don't want to be forced to work on nefarious applications. I don't seek an outsized claim on society but I do reserve the right to decide what my hands will - or won't - build.

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prepend 7y ago
That’s why I like posts like this from GitLab. They are clear what their priorities are so you can choose what to build with your hands. Lots of people don’t care or don’t have time to evaluate the thousands or millions of customers using software. The evaluation never ends so even if you shut off the really bad one, there will be another. Picking a legal limit let’s me focus on other things.
- RavingGoat 7y ago
  Gitlab is a common whore. They'll do whatever you want as long as you are paying.
  - prepend 7y ago
    Isn’t that why whores are awesome? Who is going to frequent whores who won’t do stuff? Also, what’s so bad about common whores? Whores are people too, I try not to judge people based on their chosen profession.
LegitShady 7y ago
nobody is forcing you to do anything - You're free to find a new job at any time, unless you're indentured and you didn't tell anyone. If you want to decide what to build go into business for yourself. If you're working for someone else you have the choice to either work for them and do what they want or quit.
- Dylan16807 7y ago
  A job is negotiated. You don't just accept or quit, you have a thousand different ways to come to a compromise with your employer about all sorts of things. It's baffling that so many people insist that the only feedback you can give your employer is quitting on the spot.
  - LegitShady 7y ago
    If you have an ethical or Maral issue with your work chances are you're doing the wrong work. You can of course try other Ave us but why do you think the business should compromise with a replaceable employee about his personal ethics? That's not the way this works. He's free to find work that agrees with him or make his own work. But this "I want to work for you and decide what I work on" is a non starter for most people
    - Dylan16807 7y ago
      Do you say the same things to a union when they try to address things? "No, you shouldn't have any say over the wages, or the firing policy, or whether we supply dictators"? Because unions negotiate on major issues with companies all the time. If you think unions shouldn't negotiate, you're awful. If you're okay with unions doing negotiation, why shouldn't a lone employee be able to negotiate a little bit? Why is a group of employees protesting not treated like an impromptu union? "You're small compared to the company, so you should have exactly zero influence, instead of influence proportional to your contributions" is something a petty tyrant says.
      - LegitShady 7y ago
        unions are about working conditions, not deciding what you get to work on. You're under the direction of your employer and their organizational structure. Unions have exactly zero with choosing to do the work you want to do while getting paid for someone else.
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prepend 7y ago

That’s why I like posts like this from GitLab. They are clear what their priorities are so you can choose what to build with your hands. Lots of people don’t care or don’t have time to evaluate the thousands or millions of customers using software. The evaluation never ends so even if you shut off the really bad one, there will be another. Picking a legal limit let’s me focus on other things.

RavingGoat 7y ago
Gitlab is a common whore. They'll do whatever you want as long as you are paying.
- prepend 7y ago
  Isn’t that why whores are awesome? Who is going to frequent whores who won’t do stuff? Also, what’s so bad about common whores? Whores are people too, I try not to judge people based on their chosen profession.

LegitShady 7y ago

nobody is forcing you to do anything - You're free to find a new job at any time, unless you're indentured and you didn't tell anyone. If you want to decide what to build go into business for yourself. If you're working for someone else you have the choice to either work for them and do what they want or quit.

Dylan16807 7y ago
A job is negotiated. You don't just accept or quit, you have a thousand different ways to come to a compromise with your employer about all sorts of things. It's baffling that so many people insist that the only feedback you can give your employer is quitting on the spot.
- LegitShady 7y ago
  If you have an ethical or Maral issue with your work chances are you're doing the wrong work. You can of course try other Ave us but why do you think the business should compromise with a replaceable employee about his personal ethics? That's not the way this works. He's free to find work that agrees with him or make his own work. But this "I want to work for you and decide what I work on" is a non starter for most people
  - Dylan16807 7y ago
    Do you say the same things to a union when they try to address things? "No, you shouldn't have any say over the wages, or the firing policy, or whether we supply dictators"? Because unions negotiate on major issues with companies all the time. If you think unions shouldn't negotiate, you're awful. If you're okay with unions doing negotiation, why shouldn't a lone employee be able to negotiate a little bit? Why is a group of employees protesting not treated like an impromptu union? "You're small compared to the company, so you should have exactly zero influence, instead of influence proportional to your contributions" is something a petty tyrant says.
    - LegitShady 7y ago
      unions are about working conditions, not deciding what you get to work on. You're under the direction of your employer and their organizational structure. Unions have exactly zero with choosing to do the work you want to do while getting paid for someone else.
      - 7y ago