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Considering how prevalent state-provided aid is among ultra-conservative sects like this, it is good to see a viable career path for them.

defterGoose 7y ago
Kinda funny how antithetical that is to tradional conservative values regarding entitlements.
- LegitShady 7y ago
  the 'conservative' here does not refer to traditional conservative politics that include those values. You're being confused by two definitions of 'conservative'.
  - defterGoose 7y ago
    I'm really not though. I'm aware that 'conservative' has specific religious connotations, but on the Venn diagram with political conservatism, there's a lot of overlap. Trump won many predominantly Jewish districts in the last election.
    - LegitShady 7y ago
      Nonetheless the values of receiving and giving charity are more common in the community in question than your comment about conservative values, because conservative doesn't mean "trump supporter" or "same values as Republican party". So aware or not your previous comment was wrong in every way because you cannot or will not separate different meanings of "conservative". You smeared all with one brush and your subsequent worldview is just as nonsensical as one would expect from such a nonsensical approach to viewing others. Your comment was the opposite of insight - anyone who read your comment was actively mislead. You are fake news.
      - defterGoose 7y ago
        Everyone makes generalizations, it's one of the ways we communicate without needing to get overly academic about everything. I would also note that your tone exudes a high level of bias. If, as TFA states, there are a lot of very poor people in these communities, then that underlies your statement that charity is common among Hasidim. It is an interesting fact that (disclaimer, generalizations follow) a community that tends to take charity from the government also tends to vote for a candidate like Donald Trump.
        LegitShady 7y ago
        generalizations are good when they're somewhat accurate. they're bad when they're inaccurate. Generalizations aren't inherently good. yours distorts reality by ignoring specifics in a way that does not good except to your ego. Your reaction to my pointing this out is that my "tone exudes a high level of bias" - when you're the one doing the tone reading. People are more complex than you make them, and your one dimensional analysis based on a purposeful misconstruing of a word, leading you to smear an entire religious group adds no value to any conversation, and reveals you as a likely a bigot.
- notfromhere 7y ago
  A lot of culturally conservative cultures lean left on economic issues. The first country to roll out a universal healthcare system was Imperial Germany under Bismarck. Conservatism in the U.S. is pretty anti-social in that regard, which isn't true everywhere, as in other countries it wasn't co-opted by "free market" types

defterGoose 7y ago

Kinda funny how antithetical that is to tradional conservative values regarding entitlements.

LegitShady 7y ago
the 'conservative' here does not refer to traditional conservative politics that include those values. You're being confused by two definitions of 'conservative'.
- defterGoose 7y ago
  I'm really not though. I'm aware that 'conservative' has specific religious connotations, but on the Venn diagram with political conservatism, there's a lot of overlap. Trump won many predominantly Jewish districts in the last election.
  - LegitShady 7y ago
    Nonetheless the values of receiving and giving charity are more common in the community in question than your comment about conservative values, because conservative doesn't mean "trump supporter" or "same values as Republican party". So aware or not your previous comment was wrong in every way because you cannot or will not separate different meanings of "conservative". You smeared all with one brush and your subsequent worldview is just as nonsensical as one would expect from such a nonsensical approach to viewing others. Your comment was the opposite of insight - anyone who read your comment was actively mislead. You are fake news.
    - defterGoose 7y ago
      Everyone makes generalizations, it's one of the ways we communicate without needing to get overly academic about everything. I would also note that your tone exudes a high level of bias. If, as TFA states, there are a lot of very poor people in these communities, then that underlies your statement that charity is common among Hasidim. It is an interesting fact that (disclaimer, generalizations follow) a community that tends to take charity from the government also tends to vote for a candidate like Donald Trump.
      - LegitShady 7y ago
        generalizations are good when they're somewhat accurate. they're bad when they're inaccurate. Generalizations aren't inherently good. yours distorts reality by ignoring specifics in a way that does not good except to your ego. Your reaction to my pointing this out is that my "tone exudes a high level of bias" - when you're the one doing the tone reading. People are more complex than you make them, and your one dimensional analysis based on a purposeful misconstruing of a word, leading you to smear an entire religious group adds no value to any conversation, and reveals you as a likely a bigot.
notfromhere 7y ago
A lot of culturally conservative cultures lean left on economic issues. The first country to roll out a universal healthcare system was Imperial Germany under Bismarck. Conservatism in the U.S. is pretty anti-social in that regard, which isn't true everywhere, as in other countries it wasn't co-opted by "free market" types