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They were also denied entry to the US on a prior occasion. Very strange indeed.

by jdsully 7y ago

kube-system 7y ago
and they were carrying $16,000 in cash?
- mister_hn 7y ago
  If you are going to some Apple Store, you need them, especially if you're looking for a Mac Pro
  - colejohnson66 7y ago
    Why would you pay for a Mac Pro in cold hard cash?
    - mister_hn 7y ago
      has you ever asked yourself why those small-market/street-food owners drive a Mercedes AMG/Porsche? Do you think they paid using a Bank account? On my daily routine I see plenty of people who magically drive luxury cars even with jobs that, on paper. would require probably ~50 years of more to accumulate the required amount of money to buy such a luxury.
- cptaj 7y ago
  Didn't know we criminalized cash.
  - BlueGh0st 7y ago
    You have to declare more than $10,000 IIRC when traveling over the border. When taken into account with all the other suspicious activity, it's worth a mention.
    - vasco 7y ago
      If that's per adult they're below the limit.
      - pcdoyle 7y ago
        It's per family (residing in one household). http://customsandinternationaltradelaw.com/2013/12/13/international-travelers-beware-u-s-customs-will-seize-your-money-if/#more-1578 http://customsandinternationaltradelaw.com/2013/12/13/intern...
        magic_beans 7y ago
        There were two families.
  - onetimemanytime 7y ago
    actually over $10k without declaring it. But the point is that they were not tourists that got lost. Tourists carry credit cards and all. Why would they be carrying $16,000 (USD, unless it was the equivalent of it) if they're staying in CA?
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - kube-system 7y ago
    It would be (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5316 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5316) in that amount, but that isn't my point. The point is that the totality of their actions are not supporting their story very well.
  - pjc50 7y ago
    Basically, yes?
  - magashna 7y ago
    Not that I agree with it, but cash definitely can be considered criminal in large amounts. Having a few hundred to a few thousand is enough to be arrested in the US, assuming you're not protected by celebrity.
  - yellowapple 7y ago
    We don't (and shouldn't), but I don't know of very many people who go on vacation with $16k of it. Like what the hell were they gonna spend that on? A pallet of novelty keychains?
- SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
  Since I couldn’t reply to the guy who didn’t know we “criminalized cash”... $16,000 specifically is an issue because crossing the border with any amount of cash over $10k has to be disclosed. If you don’t, it’s considered like contraband. No problem if you disclose and explain what it’s for, and in some cases can explain where it came from. This is a basic money laundering protection policy almost every country I’ve gone through has similar.
- sct202 7y ago
  It was supposedly Canadian money so I think that's less suspicious, than if they accidentally wandered into America with US dollars.
rdtsc 7y ago
That's probably what contributed to the situation spiraling out of control. Once there is one denial, every other attempted entry is going to be scrutinized and questioned quite a bit more. Not that at all justifies their treatment. > Vancouver when an animal ventured into the road, forcing them to make an unexpected detour. > U.S. authorities disputed the family’s version of events, saying they were spotted via video surveillance “slowly and deliberately driving through a ditch onto Boundary Road in Lynden Well if they were driving through a ditch it would have to be slow and deliberate, especially with a baby in car. I wonder if the same video surveillance saw this animal too. It would have to be a moose or a bear presumably. Wonder if they were following Google or Apple maps direction. Hopefully there is a big red warning there to not send people on detours via international borders. > “Attempts were made to return the individuals to Canada, however, Canada refused to allow their return and two attempts to contact the United Kingdom consulate were unsuccessful,” It's a bureaucratic hell. US authorities claim they tried to send them to Canada which refused to take them back. But also they tried to contact UK consulate, which also somehow didn't work. At the same time the family say they couldn't contact UK authorities. I think they wanted to be the ones making the call but were denied.
- kstenerud 7y ago
  The biggest animal in that area would be a deer, or possibly an elk a looooong way from home. Either one would run away. Moose don't live that far South, and the bears stay near the mountains, which are vary far away from Boundary road near Lynden. But of course non-locals wouldn't know this, so they wouldn't realize how preposterous it sounds when they spin their tale to the police.
  - thenewwazoo 7y ago
    What? I saw a moose standing in a pond in Idaho, south of the 49th parallel, and there are bears all over the Pacific northwest.
    - kstenerud 7y ago
      Ugh this is pointless.

They were also denied entry to the US on a prior occasion. Very strange indeed.

kube-system 7y ago

and they were carrying $16,000 in cash?

mister_hn 7y ago
If you are going to some Apple Store, you need them, especially if you're looking for a Mac Pro
- colejohnson66 7y ago
  Why would you pay for a Mac Pro in cold hard cash?
  - mister_hn 7y ago
    has you ever asked yourself why those small-market/street-food owners drive a Mercedes AMG/Porsche? Do you think they paid using a Bank account? On my daily routine I see plenty of people who magically drive luxury cars even with jobs that, on paper. would require probably ~50 years of more to accumulate the required amount of money to buy such a luxury.
cptaj 7y ago
Didn't know we criminalized cash.
- BlueGh0st 7y ago
  You have to declare more than $10,000 IIRC when traveling over the border. When taken into account with all the other suspicious activity, it's worth a mention.
  - vasco 7y ago
    If that's per adult they're below the limit.
    - pcdoyle 7y ago
      It's per family (residing in one household). http://customsandinternationaltradelaw.com/2013/12/13/international-travelers-beware-u-s-customs-will-seize-your-money-if/#more-1578 http://customsandinternationaltradelaw.com/2013/12/13/intern...
      - magic_beans 7y ago
        There were two families.
- onetimemanytime 7y ago
  actually over $10k without declaring it. But the point is that they were not tourists that got lost. Tourists carry credit cards and all. Why would they be carrying $16,000 (USD, unless it was the equivalent of it) if they're staying in CA?
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- kube-system 7y ago
  It would be (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5316 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5316) in that amount, but that isn't my point. The point is that the totality of their actions are not supporting their story very well.
- pjc50 7y ago
  Basically, yes?
- magashna 7y ago
  Not that I agree with it, but cash definitely can be considered criminal in large amounts. Having a few hundred to a few thousand is enough to be arrested in the US, assuming you're not protected by celebrity.
- yellowapple 7y ago
  We don't (and shouldn't), but I don't know of very many people who go on vacation with $16k of it. Like what the hell were they gonna spend that on? A pallet of novelty keychains?
SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
Since I couldn’t reply to the guy who didn’t know we “criminalized cash”... $16,000 specifically is an issue because crossing the border with any amount of cash over $10k has to be disclosed. If you don’t, it’s considered like contraband. No problem if you disclose and explain what it’s for, and in some cases can explain where it came from. This is a basic money laundering protection policy almost every country I’ve gone through has similar.
sct202 7y ago
It was supposedly Canadian money so I think that's less suspicious, than if they accidentally wandered into America with US dollars.

rdtsc 7y ago

That's probably what contributed to the situation spiraling out of control. Once there is one denial, every other attempted entry is going to be scrutinized and questioned quite a bit more. Not that at all justifies their treatment. > Vancouver when an animal ventured into the road, forcing them to make an unexpected detour. > U.S. authorities disputed the family’s version of events, saying they were spotted via video surveillance “slowly and deliberately driving through a ditch onto Boundary Road in Lynden Well if they were driving through a ditch it would have to be slow and deliberate, especially with a baby in car. I wonder if the same video surveillance saw this animal too. It would have to be a moose or a bear presumably. Wonder if they were following Google or Apple maps direction. Hopefully there is a big red warning there to not send people on detours via international borders. > “Attempts were made to return the individuals to Canada, however, Canada refused to allow their return and two attempts to contact the United Kingdom consulate were unsuccessful,” It's a bureaucratic hell. US authorities claim they tried to send them to Canada which refused to take them back. But also they tried to contact UK consulate, which also somehow didn't work. At the same time the family say they couldn't contact UK authorities. I think they wanted to be the ones making the call but were denied.

kstenerud 7y ago
The biggest animal in that area would be a deer, or possibly an elk a looooong way from home. Either one would run away. Moose don't live that far South, and the bears stay near the mountains, which are vary far away from Boundary road near Lynden. But of course non-locals wouldn't know this, so they wouldn't realize how preposterous it sounds when they spin their tale to the police.
- thenewwazoo 7y ago
  What? I saw a moose standing in a pond in Idaho, south of the 49th parallel, and there are bears all over the Pacific northwest.
  - kstenerud 7y ago
    Ugh this is pointless.