4 ms·

What's a "world leader"? That sounds like something you might claim to be but that should under no circumstances be allowed.

detaro 7y ago
> What's a "world leader"? A head of state of a country, especially but not exclusively of an influential nation.
- JasonFruit 7y ago
  I'm pointing out that the term implies more than the truth, and that it's good there aren't real world leaders. Apparently people don't appreciate my approach to communicating that.
  - nl 7y ago
    "World leader" is an extremely common term for a leader of a country. They are called "world leader" because they are involved in world affairs. You seem to believe it means a leader of some kind of whole earth government. That isn't implied at all.
    - JasonFruit 7y ago
      I know how people use it. I think it's an idiotic term.
      - deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]
      - deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]
      - nl 7y ago
        So your question was rehtorical and all your protests about how it was "chilling" were just to create drama or something? Great.
  - freehunter 7y ago
    You seem to be under the impression that "world leaders" means "leaders of the world". You'll be relieved to find out it doesn't. It means the most powerful politicians for each country. They are leaders around the world. They don't lead the world, they lead various countries around the world. Regardless of whether or not this is the first time you've heard the term, it is absolutely not a new term. It has a very long history, it has a well established meaning, and complaining on HN isn't going to change the English language. The CIA even publishes a list of who they consider to be "world leaders": https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/world-leaders-1/ https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/world-leaders-1/
- xamuel 7y ago
  Does this apply to the leader of Taiwan, for example? (Depending on who you ask, you'll get different answers about whether Taiwan is an independent country or a region of the People's Republic of China.)
  - nl 7y ago
    Yes it does - hence the use of this term. Same with Mahmoud Abbas (leader of Palestine, which is a de jure state, but not universally recognised[1]) It allows Twitter to apply it to anyone involved in world affairs, without having to make a determination about their political status. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state#De_facto_and_de_jure_states https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state#De_facto_and_d...
    - nradov 7y ago
      Well how about Bako Sahakyan?
      - nl 7y ago
        How about him? The advantage with Twitter's approach is that it is lazily evaluated - they don't decide until they need to decide.
chrisseaton 7y ago
Major countries shouldn't be allowed leaders?
- JasonFruit 7y ago
  That's a national leader. A world leader implies something different — chilling, to me.
  - chrisseaton 7y ago
    Well I don’t know what to tell you except you’re mistaken and that’s not anyone else means by ‘world leader’ which is probably why you find it so confusingly chilling. https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/world-leader https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/world-leader
avisser 7y ago
So only the President could claim to be a "national leader" in the US? The use of the indefinite article implies there is more than 1 acceptable answer.
vonmoltke 7y ago
From https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/public-interest https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/public-intere...: When is it in the public interest to preserve access to a Tweet? We decide whether a Tweet that would otherwise violate the Twitter Rules is in the public interest using the following criteria and process: Criteria for exceptions The Tweet violates one or more Twitter Rules; The Tweet was posted by a verified account; The account has more than 100,000 followers; and, The account represents a current or potential member of a local, state, national, or supra-national governmental or legislative body: Current holders of an elected or appointed leadership position in a governmental or legislative body, OR Candidates or nominees for political office.

detaro 7y ago

> What's a "world leader"? A head of state of a country, especially but not exclusively of an influential nation.

JasonFruit 7y ago
I'm pointing out that the term implies more than the truth, and that it's good there aren't real world leaders. Apparently people don't appreciate my approach to communicating that.
- nl 7y ago
  "World leader" is an extremely common term for a leader of a country. They are called "world leader" because they are involved in world affairs. You seem to believe it means a leader of some kind of whole earth government. That isn't implied at all.
  - JasonFruit 7y ago
    I know how people use it. I think it's an idiotic term.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - nl 7y ago
      So your question was rehtorical and all your protests about how it was "chilling" were just to create drama or something? Great.
- freehunter 7y ago
  You seem to be under the impression that "world leaders" means "leaders of the world". You'll be relieved to find out it doesn't. It means the most powerful politicians for each country. They are leaders around the world. They don't lead the world, they lead various countries around the world. Regardless of whether or not this is the first time you've heard the term, it is absolutely not a new term. It has a very long history, it has a well established meaning, and complaining on HN isn't going to change the English language. The CIA even publishes a list of who they consider to be "world leaders": https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/world-leaders-1/ https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/world-leaders-1/
xamuel 7y ago
Does this apply to the leader of Taiwan, for example? (Depending on who you ask, you'll get different answers about whether Taiwan is an independent country or a region of the People's Republic of China.)
- nl 7y ago
  Yes it does - hence the use of this term. Same with Mahmoud Abbas (leader of Palestine, which is a de jure state, but not universally recognised[1]) It allows Twitter to apply it to anyone involved in world affairs, without having to make a determination about their political status. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state#De_facto_and_de_jure_states https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state#De_facto_and_d...
  - nradov 7y ago
    Well how about Bako Sahakyan?
    - nl 7y ago
      How about him? The advantage with Twitter's approach is that it is lazily evaluated - they don't decide until they need to decide.

chrisseaton 7y ago

Major countries shouldn't be allowed leaders?

JasonFruit 7y ago
That's a national leader. A world leader implies something different — chilling, to me.
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  Well I don’t know what to tell you except you’re mistaken and that’s not anyone else means by ‘world leader’ which is probably why you find it so confusingly chilling. https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/world-leader https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/world-leader

avisser 7y ago

So only the President could claim to be a "national leader" in the US? The use of the indefinite article implies there is more than 1 acceptable answer.

vonmoltke 7y ago

From https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/public-interest https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/public-intere...: When is it in the public interest to preserve access to a Tweet? We decide whether a Tweet that would otherwise violate the Twitter Rules is in the public interest using the following criteria and process: Criteria for exceptions The Tweet violates one or more Twitter Rules; The Tweet was posted by a verified account; The account has more than 100,000 followers; and, The account represents a current or potential member of a local, state, national, or supra-national governmental or legislative body: Current holders of an elected or appointed leadership position in a governmental or legislative body, OR Candidates or nominees for political office.