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Why though? He literally chose to stick with the old software, protesting with his money. Seriously though, what's the problem with expecting 32bit software to

Why though? He literally chose to stick with the old software, protesting with his money. Seriously though, what's the problem with expecting 32bit software to keep working?

pembrook 7y ago
The same problem with expecting 8-bit software to keep working. All organizations have limited resources. Each hour spent supporting 32 bit is an hour that could’ve been spent on more important things.
- ohiovr 7y ago
  8 bit software still works.
  - braindeath 7y ago
    8 bit software still works on OS X Catalina? Last I checked just as this guy is nursing his old ass pre CC adobe software along nothing is stopping them from continuing with an older OS X.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    So which platform supports 8 bit software?
    - ohiovr 7y ago
      Emulators support nearly everything. I can even run a TI994a program on a PC, Mac, or Linux. If you can't run emulators on Mac that is sad news to me. Maybe bad example, it was technically 16 bit, but it was well over 30 years old. Here is a pet emulator: https://www.masswerk.at/pet/ https://www.masswerk.at/pet/ Just the other day my brother told me he met a really talented graphics designer that still primarily uses some 25 year old sign design software. Never heard of it before, and don't remember the name. We balk at having to pay monthly for software we bought over 10 years ago and even today we'd not miss any new features offered. Great artists (I'm not one of them) can produce great visuals. Limitation can be better for creativity than no restrictions for some anyway.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        Of course you can run emulators. But that has nothing to do with OS vendors maintaining backwards compatibility. Are you really arguing that Windows is compatibility with the Super Nintendo because you can run an emulator?
        ohiovr 7y ago
        Yes, and this is how powerpc applications were supported for years.
- UnpossibleJim 7y ago
  Or, he chose to go with the software he had bought instead of moving to Adobe's new model of software as a service, where you pay a subscription fee plus an up front cost to use their software. It isn't so easy as "choosing not to upgrade to 64 bit" when the production company makes untenable demands. At this point, it's almost better struggling through with GIMP and Inkscape (almost) than dealing with the corporate hellscape that Adobe has become.
  - na85 7y ago
    That's kind of the point, isn't it? Instead of directing one's ire at Apple or any other OS vendor for dropping 32-bit support, why not get upset at Adobe for creating a SaaS hellscape in the first place?
    - kibibu 7y ago
      In the Adobe case, fine. What if people have 32 bit software where the vendor has gone out of business?
      - na85 7y ago
        Perhaps it's time for them to invest in alternative software, or change to a legacy OS, or just simply not update to Catalina.
        semiotagonal 7y ago
        Or stop buying Apple products, which is my end-goal after all of this. Their stuff costs too much money to have them undermining my workflow at their whim. Apple used to about things that "just work", now they're about things that "don't work anymore".
- icedchai 7y ago
  Microsoft doesn't seem to have trouble with 32-bit. Apple's market cap is roughly the same.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    Market cap doesn’t say anything about fundamentals. That’s what profits are for. If you haven’t noticed, Microsoft is de-emphasizing Windows as a profit center.
    - icedchai 7y ago
      Both companies have plenty of profits and the resources needed to maintain 32-bit compatibility indefinitely.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        So I guess Apple should also have maintained support for 68K Macs indefinitely? Microsoft should have maintained support for 16 bit apps on 64 bit Windows? Should MS have also maintained support for running real mode 286 apps forever?
        icedchai 7y ago
        This is a bit different. Catalina is a casual upgrade. There is no warning during the install process. They'll see that something worked yesterday, same OS, same computer, and now it doesn't.
        scarface74 7y ago
        Yes there is. https://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/macos-catalina-installer-32-bit-app-warning.jpg https://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/macos-c...
        icedchai 7y ago
- shakna 7y ago
  I can still use 32bit software under Windows, Linux and BSD. Seems everyone else has managed to keep this running, even when they have _much_ fewer resources than Apple.
edoceo 7y ago
You should expect it to work, naturally. But if you make an environment change (eg upgrade) well, the softwares expectations have changed so your expectations should change too.
- deleted 7y ago
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sushid 7y ago
Why is he upgrading his OS? Just dual boot or keep it as is.

Why though? He literally chose to stick with the old software, protesting with his money. Seriously though, what's the problem with expecting 32bit software to keep working?

pembrook 7y ago

The same problem with expecting 8-bit software to keep working. All organizations have limited resources. Each hour spent supporting 32 bit is an hour that could’ve been spent on more important things.

ohiovr 7y ago
8 bit software still works.
- braindeath 7y ago
  8 bit software still works on OS X Catalina? Last I checked just as this guy is nursing his old ass pre CC adobe software along nothing is stopping them from continuing with an older OS X.
- scarface74 7y ago
  So which platform supports 8 bit software?
  - ohiovr 7y ago
    Emulators support nearly everything. I can even run a TI994a program on a PC, Mac, or Linux. If you can't run emulators on Mac that is sad news to me. Maybe bad example, it was technically 16 bit, but it was well over 30 years old. Here is a pet emulator: https://www.masswerk.at/pet/ https://www.masswerk.at/pet/ Just the other day my brother told me he met a really talented graphics designer that still primarily uses some 25 year old sign design software. Never heard of it before, and don't remember the name. We balk at having to pay monthly for software we bought over 10 years ago and even today we'd not miss any new features offered. Great artists (I'm not one of them) can produce great visuals. Limitation can be better for creativity than no restrictions for some anyway.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      Of course you can run emulators. But that has nothing to do with OS vendors maintaining backwards compatibility. Are you really arguing that Windows is compatibility with the Super Nintendo because you can run an emulator?
      - ohiovr 7y ago
        Yes, and this is how powerpc applications were supported for years.
UnpossibleJim 7y ago
Or, he chose to go with the software he had bought instead of moving to Adobe's new model of software as a service, where you pay a subscription fee plus an up front cost to use their software. It isn't so easy as "choosing not to upgrade to 64 bit" when the production company makes untenable demands. At this point, it's almost better struggling through with GIMP and Inkscape (almost) than dealing with the corporate hellscape that Adobe has become.
- na85 7y ago
  That's kind of the point, isn't it? Instead of directing one's ire at Apple or any other OS vendor for dropping 32-bit support, why not get upset at Adobe for creating a SaaS hellscape in the first place?
  - kibibu 7y ago
    In the Adobe case, fine. What if people have 32 bit software where the vendor has gone out of business?
    - na85 7y ago
      Perhaps it's time for them to invest in alternative software, or change to a legacy OS, or just simply not update to Catalina.
      - semiotagonal 7y ago
        Or stop buying Apple products, which is my end-goal after all of this. Their stuff costs too much money to have them undermining my workflow at their whim. Apple used to about things that "just work", now they're about things that "don't work anymore".
icedchai 7y ago
Microsoft doesn't seem to have trouble with 32-bit. Apple's market cap is roughly the same.
- scarface74 7y ago
  Market cap doesn’t say anything about fundamentals. That’s what profits are for. If you haven’t noticed, Microsoft is de-emphasizing Windows as a profit center.
  - icedchai 7y ago
    Both companies have plenty of profits and the resources needed to maintain 32-bit compatibility indefinitely.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      So I guess Apple should also have maintained support for 68K Macs indefinitely? Microsoft should have maintained support for 16 bit apps on 64 bit Windows? Should MS have also maintained support for running real mode 286 apps forever?
      - icedchai 7y ago
        This is a bit different. Catalina is a casual upgrade. There is no warning during the install process. They'll see that something worked yesterday, same OS, same computer, and now it doesn't.
        scarface74 7y ago
        Yes there is. https://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/macos-catalina-installer-32-bit-app-warning.jpg https://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/macos-c...
        icedchai 7y ago
shakna 7y ago
I can still use 32bit software under Windows, Linux and BSD. Seems everyone else has managed to keep this running, even when they have _much_ fewer resources than Apple.

edoceo 7y ago

You should expect it to work, naturally. But if you make an environment change (eg upgrade) well, the softwares expectations have changed so your expectations should change too.

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sushid 7y ago

Why is he upgrading his OS? Just dual boot or keep it as is.