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This comment is a perfect illustration of the bizarre irrationality people have when discussing Apple. You’re stuck on a 6+ year old piece of software because

This comment is a perfect illustration of the bizarre irrationality people have when discussing Apple. You’re stuck on a 6+ year old piece of software because Adobe moved to a higher priced cloud-based model...maybe you should be mad at Adobe...6 years ago...not Apple?

KenanSulayman 7y ago
Why though? He literally chose to stick with the old software, protesting with his money. Seriously though, what's the problem with expecting 32bit software to keep working?
- pembrook 7y ago
  The same problem with expecting 8-bit software to keep working. All organizations have limited resources. Each hour spent supporting 32 bit is an hour that could’ve been spent on more important things.
  - ohiovr 7y ago
    8 bit software still works.
    - braindeath 7y ago
      8 bit software still works on OS X Catalina? Last I checked just as this guy is nursing his old ass pre CC adobe software along nothing is stopping them from continuing with an older OS X.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      So which platform supports 8 bit software?
      - ohiovr 7y ago
        Emulators support nearly everything. I can even run a TI994a program on a PC, Mac, or Linux. If you can't run emulators on Mac that is sad news to me. Maybe bad example, it was technically 16 bit, but it was well over 30 years old. Here is a pet emulator: https://www.masswerk.at/pet/ https://www.masswerk.at/pet/ Just the other day my brother told me he met a really talented graphics designer that still primarily uses some 25 year old sign design software. Never heard of it before, and don't remember the name. We balk at having to pay monthly for software we bought over 10 years ago and even today we'd not miss any new features offered. Great artists (I'm not one of them) can produce great visuals. Limitation can be better for creativity than no restrictions for some anyway.
        scarface74 7y ago
        Of course you can run emulators. But that has nothing to do with OS vendors maintaining backwards compatibility. Are you really arguing that Windows is compatibility with the Super Nintendo because you can run an emulator?
        ohiovr 7y ago
        Yes, and this is how powerpc applications were supported for years.
  - UnpossibleJim 7y ago
    Or, he chose to go with the software he had bought instead of moving to Adobe's new model of software as a service, where you pay a subscription fee plus an up front cost to use their software. It isn't so easy as "choosing not to upgrade to 64 bit" when the production company makes untenable demands. At this point, it's almost better struggling through with GIMP and Inkscape (almost) than dealing with the corporate hellscape that Adobe has become.
    - na85 7y ago
      That's kind of the point, isn't it? Instead of directing one's ire at Apple or any other OS vendor for dropping 32-bit support, why not get upset at Adobe for creating a SaaS hellscape in the first place?
      - kibibu 7y ago
        In the Adobe case, fine. What if people have 32 bit software where the vendor has gone out of business?
        na85 7y ago
        Perhaps it's time for them to invest in alternative software, or change to a legacy OS, or just simply not update to Catalina.
        semiotagonal 7y ago
        Or stop buying Apple products, which is my end-goal after all of this. Their stuff costs too much money to have them undermining my workflow at their whim. Apple used to about things that "just work", now they're about things that "don't work anymore".
  - icedchai 7y ago
    Microsoft doesn't seem to have trouble with 32-bit. Apple's market cap is roughly the same.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      Market cap doesn’t say anything about fundamentals. That’s what profits are for. If you haven’t noticed, Microsoft is de-emphasizing Windows as a profit center.
      - icedchai 7y ago
        Both companies have plenty of profits and the resources needed to maintain 32-bit compatibility indefinitely.
        scarface74 7y ago
        So I guess Apple should also have maintained support for 68K Macs indefinitely? Microsoft should have maintained support for 16 bit apps on 64 bit Windows? Should MS have also maintained support for running real mode 286 apps forever?
        icedchai 7y ago
        This is a bit different. Catalina is a casual upgrade. There is no warning during the install process. They'll see that something worked yesterday, same OS, same computer, and now it doesn't.
        scarface74 7y ago
        Yes there is. https://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/macos-catalina-installer-32-bit-app-warning.jpg https://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/macos-c...
        icedchai 7y ago
  - shakna 7y ago
    I can still use 32bit software under Windows, Linux and BSD. Seems everyone else has managed to keep this running, even when they have _much_ fewer resources than Apple.
- edoceo 7y ago
  You should expect it to work, naturally. But if you make an environment change (eg upgrade) well, the softwares expectations have changed so your expectations should change too.
  - deleted 7y ago
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- sushid 7y ago
  Why is he upgrading his OS? Just dual boot or keep it as is.
AndrewDavis 7y ago
In that situation I'd be mad at both. But primarily Apple. Apple broke my working software. Emphasis on the working part. Upgrading even with one time payment software would still mean hundreds of dollars forked out because Apple broke it. If it wasn't broken I wouldn't upgrade.
- pembrook 7y ago
  Am I the only one who sees the absurdity of this? If you’re cool using 6+ year old, blurry non-retina software...why do you need to upgrade to Catalina? Just stay on Mojave and you’ll be fine. Did you really plan on using that 2012 edition of Photoshop until 2035?
  - Tronno 7y ago
    There's nothing absurd about it. CS6 has retina support, and I use it too. It has all the features I need - nothing added in the last 6 years has been worth switching to the subscription model.
    - jxdxbx 7y ago
      What in Catalina is worth upgrading to? I don’t see much.
      - blub 7y ago
        The 15+ security issues come to mind...
        inapis 7y ago
        Apple supports the previous version of OSX with security updates for some time.
        blub 7y ago
        If the Catalina fixes have already been back-ported to Mojave, please link to the Apple security announcement. Where are the Mojave fixes for CVE-2019-8745 and CVE-2019-8769 for example? If they're not available, my point stands.
damnyou 7y ago
You should be mad at the company with the bigger market cap, which isn't Adobe.
- brodsky 7y ago
  that's a weird criterion. market cap has little to nothing to do with it. I don't think it's reasonable to be mad at anyone in this particular situation - we all knew that 32-bit was going away - but there are certainly other reasons to be disappointed by both Apple and Adobe separately.
KibbutzDalia 7y ago
Apple broke it, but you can’t bring yourself to criticize your beloved?
- scarface74 7y ago
  Would you also be mad when Apple dropped support for classic Mac OS and Word 4.0 didn’t work?
  - dwighttk 7y ago
    No but I am mad at Microsoft for Word 6.0 I just want Word 5.1 back. Is that too much to ask?
thomascgalvin 7y ago
There is room in my heart to be furious at both. Adobe's cloud pricing model is abhorrent to me, and Apple forcing the hand of everyone that didn't want to jump on board with it is also shitty. But I've had a long time to come to grips with my hatred for Adobe. Apple has only recently started making choices that carry serious negative consequences for me. I feel the same way about their dropping of OpenGL, for what it's worth.
- mstolpm 7y ago
  If you could run an old Adobe offering for 6 years, why do you feel forced by Apple right now to upgrade your OS (and hence SW)? Couldn’t you easily stick to Mojave for two more years - or run Mojave and your old SW in a VM? I don‘t see how Apple is forcing you in October 2019 to do anything that costs money. 2021 perhaps, but that’s a long way until then.
- jxdxbx 7y ago
  It is very much worth looking at Photoshop alternatives every so often. Pixelmator Pro is very good.
Smithalicious 7y ago
It's a perfectly reasonable thing to be mad about, since wanting to use an older version of software is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. 6 years isn't even that long of a time either.
alwillis 7y ago
This comment is a perfect illustration of the bizarre irrationality people have when discussing Apple. Yes. I've been involved with the Mac user group community for many years; this is the kind of logic I've heard many times.

KenanSulayman 7y ago

Why though? He literally chose to stick with the old software, protesting with his money. Seriously though, what's the problem with expecting 32bit software to keep working?

pembrook 7y ago
The same problem with expecting 8-bit software to keep working. All organizations have limited resources. Each hour spent supporting 32 bit is an hour that could’ve been spent on more important things.
- ohiovr 7y ago
  8 bit software still works.
  - braindeath 7y ago
    8 bit software still works on OS X Catalina? Last I checked just as this guy is nursing his old ass pre CC adobe software along nothing is stopping them from continuing with an older OS X.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    So which platform supports 8 bit software?
    - ohiovr 7y ago
      Emulators support nearly everything. I can even run a TI994a program on a PC, Mac, or Linux. If you can't run emulators on Mac that is sad news to me. Maybe bad example, it was technically 16 bit, but it was well over 30 years old. Here is a pet emulator: https://www.masswerk.at/pet/ https://www.masswerk.at/pet/ Just the other day my brother told me he met a really talented graphics designer that still primarily uses some 25 year old sign design software. Never heard of it before, and don't remember the name. We balk at having to pay monthly for software we bought over 10 years ago and even today we'd not miss any new features offered. Great artists (I'm not one of them) can produce great visuals. Limitation can be better for creativity than no restrictions for some anyway.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        Of course you can run emulators. But that has nothing to do with OS vendors maintaining backwards compatibility. Are you really arguing that Windows is compatibility with the Super Nintendo because you can run an emulator?
        ohiovr 7y ago
        Yes, and this is how powerpc applications were supported for years.
- UnpossibleJim 7y ago
  Or, he chose to go with the software he had bought instead of moving to Adobe's new model of software as a service, where you pay a subscription fee plus an up front cost to use their software. It isn't so easy as "choosing not to upgrade to 64 bit" when the production company makes untenable demands. At this point, it's almost better struggling through with GIMP and Inkscape (almost) than dealing with the corporate hellscape that Adobe has become.
  - na85 7y ago
    That's kind of the point, isn't it? Instead of directing one's ire at Apple or any other OS vendor for dropping 32-bit support, why not get upset at Adobe for creating a SaaS hellscape in the first place?
    - kibibu 7y ago
      In the Adobe case, fine. What if people have 32 bit software where the vendor has gone out of business?
      - na85 7y ago
        Perhaps it's time for them to invest in alternative software, or change to a legacy OS, or just simply not update to Catalina.
        semiotagonal 7y ago
        Or stop buying Apple products, which is my end-goal after all of this. Their stuff costs too much money to have them undermining my workflow at their whim. Apple used to about things that "just work", now they're about things that "don't work anymore".
- icedchai 7y ago
  Microsoft doesn't seem to have trouble with 32-bit. Apple's market cap is roughly the same.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    Market cap doesn’t say anything about fundamentals. That’s what profits are for. If you haven’t noticed, Microsoft is de-emphasizing Windows as a profit center.
    - icedchai 7y ago
      Both companies have plenty of profits and the resources needed to maintain 32-bit compatibility indefinitely.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        So I guess Apple should also have maintained support for 68K Macs indefinitely? Microsoft should have maintained support for 16 bit apps on 64 bit Windows? Should MS have also maintained support for running real mode 286 apps forever?
        icedchai 7y ago
        This is a bit different. Catalina is a casual upgrade. There is no warning during the install process. They'll see that something worked yesterday, same OS, same computer, and now it doesn't.
        scarface74 7y ago
        Yes there is. https://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/macos-catalina-installer-32-bit-app-warning.jpg https://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/macos-c...
        icedchai 7y ago
- shakna 7y ago
  I can still use 32bit software under Windows, Linux and BSD. Seems everyone else has managed to keep this running, even when they have _much_ fewer resources than Apple.
edoceo 7y ago
You should expect it to work, naturally. But if you make an environment change (eg upgrade) well, the softwares expectations have changed so your expectations should change too.
- deleted 7y ago
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sushid 7y ago
Why is he upgrading his OS? Just dual boot or keep it as is.

AndrewDavis 7y ago

In that situation I'd be mad at both. But primarily Apple. Apple broke my working software. Emphasis on the working part. Upgrading even with one time payment software would still mean hundreds of dollars forked out because Apple broke it. If it wasn't broken I wouldn't upgrade.

pembrook 7y ago
Am I the only one who sees the absurdity of this? If you’re cool using 6+ year old, blurry non-retina software...why do you need to upgrade to Catalina? Just stay on Mojave and you’ll be fine. Did you really plan on using that 2012 edition of Photoshop until 2035?
- Tronno 7y ago
  There's nothing absurd about it. CS6 has retina support, and I use it too. It has all the features I need - nothing added in the last 6 years has been worth switching to the subscription model.
  - jxdxbx 7y ago
    What in Catalina is worth upgrading to? I don’t see much.
    - blub 7y ago
      The 15+ security issues come to mind...
      - inapis 7y ago
        Apple supports the previous version of OSX with security updates for some time.
        blub 7y ago
        If the Catalina fixes have already been back-ported to Mojave, please link to the Apple security announcement. Where are the Mojave fixes for CVE-2019-8745 and CVE-2019-8769 for example? If they're not available, my point stands.

damnyou 7y ago

You should be mad at the company with the bigger market cap, which isn't Adobe.

brodsky 7y ago
that's a weird criterion. market cap has little to nothing to do with it. I don't think it's reasonable to be mad at anyone in this particular situation - we all knew that 32-bit was going away - but there are certainly other reasons to be disappointed by both Apple and Adobe separately.

KibbutzDalia 7y ago

Apple broke it, but you can’t bring yourself to criticize your beloved?

scarface74 7y ago
Would you also be mad when Apple dropped support for classic Mac OS and Word 4.0 didn’t work?
- dwighttk 7y ago
  No but I am mad at Microsoft for Word 6.0 I just want Word 5.1 back. Is that too much to ask?

thomascgalvin 7y ago

There is room in my heart to be furious at both. Adobe's cloud pricing model is abhorrent to me, and Apple forcing the hand of everyone that didn't want to jump on board with it is also shitty. But I've had a long time to come to grips with my hatred for Adobe. Apple has only recently started making choices that carry serious negative consequences for me. I feel the same way about their dropping of OpenGL, for what it's worth.

mstolpm 7y ago
If you could run an old Adobe offering for 6 years, why do you feel forced by Apple right now to upgrade your OS (and hence SW)? Couldn’t you easily stick to Mojave for two more years - or run Mojave and your old SW in a VM? I don‘t see how Apple is forcing you in October 2019 to do anything that costs money. 2021 perhaps, but that’s a long way until then.
jxdxbx 7y ago
It is very much worth looking at Photoshop alternatives every so often. Pixelmator Pro is very good.

Smithalicious 7y ago

It's a perfectly reasonable thing to be mad about, since wanting to use an older version of software is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. 6 years isn't even that long of a time either.

alwillis 7y ago

This comment is a perfect illustration of the bizarre irrationality people have when discussing Apple. Yes. I've been involved with the Mac user group community for many years; this is the kind of logic I've heard many times.