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Not surprised, but a bit baffled why they allowed for uBO for such a long time in the first place? It looks as if they misused the community's products and tru

Not surprised, but a bit baffled why they allowed for uBO for such a long time in the first place? It looks as if they misused the community's products and trust to build their monopoly and then kick us out once it's gotten hard enough to compete. Perhaps this is a good thing in the long run, because now people will finally have to switch and maybe contribute to improving Firefox. I am hopeful, but also I must say in my opinion Firefox is nowhere near Chrome when comparing performance, developer tooling and quality.

babuskov 7y ago
> quality Yeah, that feature is a must. /s Saying "quality" doesn't actually mean anything. What exactly is "quality" in this case?
- starbugs 7y ago
  I'll give you an example: If I place a breakpoint in a DOM mutation listener, I would like to have the same order of DOM events as if I wouldn't have placed it there.
- tclancy 7y ago
  You are going to love Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.
hv42 7y ago
Firefox has better tooling for CSS (really good flexbox for e.g.) but it lacks on the JS side. One basic feature that is missing for e.g. is that one cannot open a file using the syntax filename:line:column in the source editor. You will need to navigate the line number manually after opening the file.
- frankharv 7y ago
  Thank goodness. Browsers are for browing the internet. File Managers are used for opening files. I lock down SeaMonkeys JS. Personally I like SeaMonkey as it is community build Mozilla. Many of the "features" have settings in preferences. It seems to me that the Mozilla Foundation is pushing the project in some weird spots(DoH) and while not ad revenue based, they do take money from companies. Notice the Search Provides list? Who uses Ebay as their primary search provides? Heck who wants to search from the URL bar. Otter-Browser is making great strides and I use it on untrusted sites. Please make the browser simple and not hide settings in about:config.
  - CDSlice 7y ago
    > Heck who wants to search from the URL bar. Me? I love this feature.
  - shrimp_emoji 7y ago
    >Heck who wants to search from the URL bar. You've gone too far. F6 + query + Enter ftw. D: It's how I've always done it.
amenod 7y ago
> I am hopeful, but also I must say in my opinion Firefox is nowhere near Chrome when comparing performance, developer tooling and quality. I have the opposite experience. I use FF on all my computers and mobile, and when I sit behind some other dev's Chrome the tools are simply atrocious. Maybe it's not the quality that is different, but the way we use the tools? I might have "aligned" myself with FF, as you (and many others) have with Chrome.
- starbugs 7y ago
  Maybe that's part of it, yes. I mean if I press Cmd+P to look up a source file and Firefox doesn't suggest the source mapped one before the ES5 compiled one, it's already beyond me how I should ever seriously work with that tooling. It's just a matter of speed and convenience. But my workflows of course might differ from what others do. With quality I was referring to the actual code quality of Firefox, not so much the interface. See my post below about DOM events changing order when debugging. My instinct just tells me that something is deeply wrong under the hood if something like this can even happen.
rasz 7y ago
>baffled why they allowed for uBO for such a long time potential "10,000,000+ users" pissed at Google is the reason, but why if we made it look like extension author was dodgy/to blame? ... :(
blibble 7y ago
> Not surprised, but a bit baffled why they allowed for uBO for such a long time in the first place? because they weren't dominant in the market, and it was a feature the market leading browers supported now they are dominant they can throw their weight around

babuskov 7y ago

> quality Yeah, that feature is a must. /s Saying "quality" doesn't actually mean anything. What exactly is "quality" in this case?

starbugs 7y ago
I'll give you an example: If I place a breakpoint in a DOM mutation listener, I would like to have the same order of DOM events as if I wouldn't have placed it there.
tclancy 7y ago
You are going to love Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

hv42 7y ago

Firefox has better tooling for CSS (really good flexbox for e.g.) but it lacks on the JS side. One basic feature that is missing for e.g. is that one cannot open a file using the syntax filename:line:column in the source editor. You will need to navigate the line number manually after opening the file.

frankharv 7y ago
Thank goodness. Browsers are for browing the internet. File Managers are used for opening files. I lock down SeaMonkeys JS. Personally I like SeaMonkey as it is community build Mozilla. Many of the "features" have settings in preferences. It seems to me that the Mozilla Foundation is pushing the project in some weird spots(DoH) and while not ad revenue based, they do take money from companies. Notice the Search Provides list? Who uses Ebay as their primary search provides? Heck who wants to search from the URL bar. Otter-Browser is making great strides and I use it on untrusted sites. Please make the browser simple and not hide settings in about:config.
- CDSlice 7y ago
  > Heck who wants to search from the URL bar. Me? I love this feature.
- shrimp_emoji 7y ago
  >Heck who wants to search from the URL bar. You've gone too far. F6 + query + Enter ftw. D: It's how I've always done it.

amenod 7y ago

> I am hopeful, but also I must say in my opinion Firefox is nowhere near Chrome when comparing performance, developer tooling and quality. I have the opposite experience. I use FF on all my computers and mobile, and when I sit behind some other dev's Chrome the tools are simply atrocious. Maybe it's not the quality that is different, but the way we use the tools? I might have "aligned" myself with FF, as you (and many others) have with Chrome.

starbugs 7y ago
Maybe that's part of it, yes. I mean if I press Cmd+P to look up a source file and Firefox doesn't suggest the source mapped one before the ES5 compiled one, it's already beyond me how I should ever seriously work with that tooling. It's just a matter of speed and convenience. But my workflows of course might differ from what others do. With quality I was referring to the actual code quality of Firefox, not so much the interface. See my post below about DOM events changing order when debugging. My instinct just tells me that something is deeply wrong under the hood if something like this can even happen.

rasz 7y ago

>baffled why they allowed for uBO for such a long time potential "10,000,000+ users" pissed at Google is the reason, but why if we made it look like extension author was dodgy/to blame? ... :(

blibble 7y ago

> Not surprised, but a bit baffled why they allowed for uBO for such a long time in the first place? because they weren't dominant in the market, and it was a feature the market leading browers supported now they are dominant they can throw their weight around