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Extraordinary to claim that this decision is the result of corruption, you got any evidence or you just inventing stuff in your head?
by StartupTree 7y ago
Extraordinary to claim that this decision is the result of corruption, you got any evidence or you just inventing stuff in your head?
- reustle 7y agoExtraordinary? This happens all the time, maybe not with hard cash but plenty of other methods
- igetspam 7y agoIt does but Google has a very very strict policy about not greasing wheels. People have been fired over it and not reimbursed for the out of pocket expense. It made building infrastructure in India take exponentially longer than competitors who were willing to play according to the unspoken rules. Google can't be trusted but not everything they do or every way they operate is bad.
- swebs 7y agoGoogle has spent $21,770,000 on lobbying in 2018. https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000067823&year=2018 https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D00006782...
- igetspam 7y agoSo the implied argument is that lobbying is inherently corrupt?
- a_imho 7y agoIn your opinion what differentiates the two?
- AnthonyMouse 7y agoOne of them is illegal.
- Scoundreller 7y agoAka: one of them can get executives put in prison.
- Qwertious 7y agoOnce you start lobbying/influencing what laws exist, you forfeit the right to justify your actions purely on what's legal. Mainly: if you spend large amounts of money to stop an action becoming illegal or to make it legal, then you can't justify the action by saying "it's legal" without also justifying why it should be legal - given that you just assisted create a law. Amoral actors should not be allowed to control the legal system that keeps them in line.
- AnthonyMouse 7y agoIs there some evidence that Google has been a significant force lobbying in favor of the laws that make lobbying legal?
- igetspam 7y agoLegality, public disclosure and outcomes. Bribery is a way to ensure an outcome in your favor, regardless of law or process. Lobbying is using your resources to argue a position. Lobbying can be a corrupt process but it isn't inherently so and lobbying doesn't come with a guaranteed outcome.
- UncleMeat 7y agoThe open secrets data includes independent contributions from Google employees. The engineers donating to Clinton in 2016 aren't engaging in corruption.