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The Nobel Peace Prize 2019
- Razengan 7y agoThe depressing zeitgeist going on everywhere honestly makes me wonder if he would be able to freely make any remarks in support of Hong Kong vs. China without having this prize revoked.
- phtrivier 7y agoCurious why do you wonder that. Is there something in the structure or composition of the Nobel Committee that ties them to China ? (I could not see anything obvious from the current composition [1].) [1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Nobel_Committee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Nobel_Committee
- batmenace 7y agoI don't see why not? The prizes are handed out by the Nobel foundation, which is independent of government, and as far as I know, financially self-sustaining, so there are no sponsors to upset, and no government that has oversight.
- lb1lf 7y ago-That they are, but by foreign powers (China is not the only one!), its independence is often cast in doubt. Doubly so as the Norwegian parliament elect members to the Nobel committee, and they tend to choose has-been politicians to put them out to pasture. The result being that while the committee is nominally independent, its ties to government are strong enough for China, for instance, to put relations with Norway in the freezer for several years after Liu Xiaobo was awarded the prize in 2010.
- maaaats 7y agoI'd think that proves the opposite: Even though it hurt the Norwegian government's relationship with China, the committee still went ahead with their decision.
- lb1lf 7y agoI agree, but the Chinese saw it differently, to put it mildly. The committee awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to a Chinese dissident was led by a former prime minister, its members two former members of government and two former members of parliament. If you are a country in which the powers that be control just about anything, I guess you could be forgiven for being doubtful as to the committee's independence...
- sdiq 7y agoI think his work has been impactful in his immediate neighbourhood. Hong Kong/China is too far away for his opinion to make a difference. Plus, why limit his opinion to only China/Hong Kong. Should his opinion about the USA and Cuba also matter? What about Russia, Turkey, EU and the USA in Syria? Should his opinion on Trump and the Republican's attitude towards migrants in America also matter? I think the only thing that should matter is based on the resources and opportunities under him what has he done with them.
- peter303 7y agoI will see Greta in Denver Friday afternoon at a climate rally. She is young and a voice of her generation. Many future possibilities for her and repairing the climate crisis. I respect the Nobels decision to award the prize to this peace broker. So many global issues that need attention.
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- petters 7y agoYes, the prize is meant for actions during 2018. Greta rose to prominence this year.
- phil_folrida 7y agoAre you talking about Greta Thunberg, I would think so, I don't know enough about her, what do you recommend from her? I fail to see what or why she is important, we are past good speech in terms of ecology, what actions does she recommends?
- Tepix 7y agoOf course. She is creating a lot of attention for the mismatch between scientists' (in particular IPCC) insights and recommendations and politicians (in)actions and failure to reach the goals they set themselves. > what actions does she recommend She recommends we listen to the science. Nothing more, nothing less.
- krona 7y agoShe recommends we listen to the science. Consensus is a probability distribution. Greta talks about the 'findings' of approximately 4% of the IPCC scientists conclusions, on one extreme of the consensus. Obviously none of the models are available to examine, so we'll take their word for it, like a child would.
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- input_sh 7y agoWell, this is a much less controversial choice compared to the Nobel Prize in Literature 2019.
- fmajid 7y agoThe list of people who were passed over the Literature prize is more distinguished than those it was granted to.
- input_sh 7y agoThis year's winner called for the Literature prize to be abolished a few years ago. I can't help but agree with him on that.
- Nokinside 7y agoThe literature price committee's has zero credibility after the scandal. The nominations are just trying to signal something related to the functioning of committee. Let's pick man and a woman who signal we are better people now, somehow.
- estomagordo 7y agoI fail to see how the literature price committee's credibility has somehow sunken because of the scandals within the academy. The committee now consists partly of non-academy members and surely the academy itsel must be better off after its purgatory?
- the_duke 7y agoFrom a global perspective, awarding two European writers yet again is just a failure. From a purely literary perspective, Handke is a great and influential writer, who was a hot candidate for a long time. For his work, I think the award is justified. On a personal level, his ex-wife accused him of physical abuse, he held a eulogy for a war criminal, was known for cursing and berating his audience, ... If he still should have received it regardless depends on a difficult value judgement: do you purely choose based on a writers work, or does his personality influence the decision?
- fmajid 7y agoCongratulations to PM Abiy on this exceedingly deserved award. Quite frankly, I was surprised it had not been awarded to him last year.
- aezakmi 7y agoI can't believe people are considering having a TPTB minion worthy of a Nobel. No, wait. I do.
- jansan 7y agoGreat choice, his unexpected acceptance of the Algiers Agreement terms gave so much hope for the region. This is what the Nobel Peace Price was originally intended for.
- blargmaster33 7y agoWas expecting Greta to get it
- gigatexal 7y agoNice! Also thank goodness it didn’t go to Trump — there was some article mentioning that he was in the running.
- wayoutthere 7y agoHe was only "in the running" in his own head. He has an obsession with the NPP because Obama got one, and he can't accept that someone with dark skin is better than him in basically every way.
- aezakmi 7y agoSo this is what TDS looks like.
- cpursley 7y agoConsidering Trump made the decision not to attack Iran and start WWIII after Iran downed a US drone (despite immense pressure from neocons like Bolton), Trump actually deserves a little credit for being a relatively peaceful president. He hasn't started any new conflicts and just recently started pulling US troops out of Syria. Can't say that for his predicessors. I understand that people don't like Trump due to his pompous and abrasive personality, but his foreign policy has been suprisingly sane (ignoring all his other policy).
- cpursley 7y agoI guess I should of expected down votes. People's disdane for Trump is often visceral instead of logical (similar to people's feelings on Obama). But you know, sometimes people/orgs/etc that you don't like or support make some good decisions. But if you "feel" good about down voting, then go for it. I'll stick to the facts.
- acollins1331 7y agoThe dude also threatens nuclear war with NK on Twitter. Next.
- cwkoss 7y agoThe Nobel Peace Prize was greatly devalued when it was given to Obama in the midst of bombing other countries. Does anyone have an explanation of why Obama deserved to receive it?
- NeedMoreTea 7y agoAng San Suu Chi, Kissinger, Yasser Arafat, and Cordell Hull raised no eyebrows then?
- ImNoSuperman 7y agoHmm I've actually thought about that for a long time and I think the prize was in a way for the American people not for the war but peace within the society (or so we though) in electing a black president who went on to take action to get the America/World out of recession wanting change..There is zero evidence of what I'm saying by the way complete speculation, but that's why I believe the prize was given to him overzealously. If I recall Obama himself felt strange about the prize and was taken aback. He considered not picking it up and had his staff ask if he could skip the ceremony. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960