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> Customers would be pissed if they had to use dongles for all of that stuff they already own. Eh, they were brave enough to do it for the 3.5mm jack, I don't

> Customers would be pissed if they had to use dongles for all of that stuff they already own. Eh, they were brave enough to do it for the 3.5mm jack, I don't see why they couldn't do it here. So I think the real reason is they want to continue to sell $40 lightening cables, or whatever they cost now.

macintux 7y ago
Or, as the article points out... > In Apple’s case, the hesitation at least makes some sense. As long as USB-C compatibility is more tangled than a late-stage game of Twister, it will remain anathema to Cupertino’s mantra of “it just works.” USB-C can still feel more like "it works, just not always how you were expecting." Apple already achieved USB-C’s space-saving and reversibility benefits seven years ago with the introduction of its Lightning cable. And in those seven years, an expansive ecosystem of Lightning peripherals has emerged, all of which would head straight for the scrap heap with a jump to USB-C.
- Dylan16807 7y ago
  If they had jumped straight to USB-C on their phones it never would have been tangled. Exact data speeds don't matter for a phone, they could have avoided any headphone adapter confusion, and the issue of charging-only cables exists no matter what, on lightning too. And adding an adapter onto lightning plugs is less invasive than the issues with removing the headphone jack. Edit: So would anyone like to explain how any of that is such a bad contribution it deserves a downvote? I'm always surprised when a comment gets silently downvoted, it's never something where I expected any downvotes...
  - OkGoDoIt 7y ago
    Lightning came out several years before USB-C. So I don’t think going straight to USB-C was really an option. (not suggesting that’s why you were downvoted, just clarifying the timeline of the ports)
    - oarsinsync 7y ago
      Two years, to be precise. Lightning devices were shipping end of 2012. USB-C design was finalised end of 2014.
      - Dylan16807 7y ago
        And it was announced in 2013, with Apple part of the group helping design it. I'm sure they could have shipped it in 2014 if they had really wanted to. Other devices were shipping only a couple months later. Maybe the development started too late for Apple to involve it in their plans? But that would have been a really rapid pace. Overall it looks a lot like this was Apple fussiness.

macintux 7y ago

Or, as the article points out... > In Apple’s case, the hesitation at least makes some sense. As long as USB-C compatibility is more tangled than a late-stage game of Twister, it will remain anathema to Cupertino’s mantra of “it just works.” USB-C can still feel more like "it works, just not always how you were expecting." Apple already achieved USB-C’s space-saving and reversibility benefits seven years ago with the introduction of its Lightning cable. And in those seven years, an expansive ecosystem of Lightning peripherals has emerged, all of which would head straight for the scrap heap with a jump to USB-C.

Dylan16807 7y ago
If they had jumped straight to USB-C on their phones it never would have been tangled. Exact data speeds don't matter for a phone, they could have avoided any headphone adapter confusion, and the issue of charging-only cables exists no matter what, on lightning too. And adding an adapter onto lightning plugs is less invasive than the issues with removing the headphone jack. Edit: So would anyone like to explain how any of that is such a bad contribution it deserves a downvote? I'm always surprised when a comment gets silently downvoted, it's never something where I expected any downvotes...
- OkGoDoIt 7y ago
  Lightning came out several years before USB-C. So I don’t think going straight to USB-C was really an option. (not suggesting that’s why you were downvoted, just clarifying the timeline of the ports)
  - oarsinsync 7y ago
    Two years, to be precise. Lightning devices were shipping end of 2012. USB-C design was finalised end of 2014.
    - Dylan16807 7y ago
      And it was announced in 2013, with Apple part of the group helping design it. I'm sure they could have shipped it in 2014 if they had really wanted to. Other devices were shipping only a couple months later. Maybe the development started too late for Apple to involve it in their plans? But that would have been a really rapid pace. Overall it looks a lot like this was Apple fussiness.