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Do you think what's going on inside US politics is the same in China? I mean, have you ever heard about Americans getting fired because of supporting protest? O

by jimmy2020 7y ago

Do you think what's going on inside US politics is the same in China? I mean, have you ever heard about Americans getting fired because of supporting protest? Or is there anything similar to the situation in Hong Kong?

syshum 7y ago
>>I mean, have you ever heard about Americans getting fired because of supporting protest? Yes... If you support Libertarian or Conservative things
- seanmcdirmid 7y ago
  Instances? The only thing that comes to my mind is Brendon Eich at Mozilla. And even then, it wasn’t so much as being fired as being squeezed out of the CEO slot.
  - testACCT321 7y ago
    That is being fired at top levels of the corporate world. Lots of "resignations" "stepping down", etc. Not a bunch of firing.
- jimmy2020 7y ago
  Sure, but it's still part of political process that is complicated and in some cases eliminating other views. But cannot compare it to the communist China and thank goodness there are no special camps in US to educate people until the regime thinks they are eligible to be free.
- elbrian 7y ago
  It's been >2 hours and we're still waiting for your examples and/or sources.
  - vogre 7y ago
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/fired-by-google-a-republican-engineer-hits-back-theres-been-a-lot-of-bullying-11564651801 https://www.wsj.com/articles/fired-by-google-a-republican-en...
    - elbrian 7y ago
      Kevin was fired for promoting alt-right views on internal message boards at Google, and not for supporting a protest. He made several of his co-workers uncomfortable enough to report him to their managers, who gave him several warnings before rightfully terminating him as an employee. Here's a more detailed write-up about Kevin Cernekee, what he stands for, and why no one wants to work with him (link below). https://medium.com/@mikewacker/the-other-side-of-kevin-cernekee-a88fd6b81606 https://medium.com/@mikewacker/the-other-side-of-kevin-cerne... edit: Thanks for the downvotes, too. I'm sorry you couldn't contribute more (read: anything) to this thread.
      - vogre 7y ago
        He was fired for his political position, which is, AFAIK, not a rare case in US companies. In the link you provided it's clear he was hated and fired for political discussions in mailing lists.
        elbrian 7y ago
        By political discussions, you mean openly supporting (and fundraising at Google for) white pride organizations?
        vogre 7y ago
        Well yes. Supporting political organisation is the form of political activity. He was bullied and fired for these actions only, I don't see any mentions that he was annoying people any way other than expressing his views. How is that different from penalising people for supporting violent protests?
  - testACCT321 7y ago
    Tons of youtubers have been deplatformed/demonitized. Anytime a company fires someone, deplatforms or demonitizes for "Hate Speach" that would meet the broad definition of anti-free speech.
  - syshum 7y ago
    Sorry i have a job and can not sit on HN news all day... As to examples, it is clear by your comments you do not want actual examples but rather just want to move the goal posts Cancel Culture is very real, people are terminated from jobs all the time based on their personal posts on twitter, Facebook, Instagram etc, or other comments online that "offend" a certain segment of the population that is perpetually offended at everything and then pressure employers to fire those people. Happens every day, across this nation
    - elbrian 7y ago
      You really couldn't be bothered to come up with one single example? Yikes.
PeterStuer 7y ago
Depends how you want to frame 'the same'. The way I interpreted the article it is postulating both as dismissal on the grounds of voicing an opinion that is deemed offensive to a constituency the organization wants to be in good standing with.

syshum 7y ago

>>I mean, have you ever heard about Americans getting fired because of supporting protest? Yes... If you support Libertarian or Conservative things

seanmcdirmid 7y ago
Instances? The only thing that comes to my mind is Brendon Eich at Mozilla. And even then, it wasn’t so much as being fired as being squeezed out of the CEO slot.
- testACCT321 7y ago
  That is being fired at top levels of the corporate world. Lots of "resignations" "stepping down", etc. Not a bunch of firing.
jimmy2020 7y ago
Sure, but it's still part of political process that is complicated and in some cases eliminating other views. But cannot compare it to the communist China and thank goodness there are no special camps in US to educate people until the regime thinks they are eligible to be free.
elbrian 7y ago
It's been >2 hours and we're still waiting for your examples and/or sources.
- vogre 7y ago
  https://www.wsj.com/articles/fired-by-google-a-republican-engineer-hits-back-theres-been-a-lot-of-bullying-11564651801 https://www.wsj.com/articles/fired-by-google-a-republican-en...
  - elbrian 7y ago
    Kevin was fired for promoting alt-right views on internal message boards at Google, and not for supporting a protest. He made several of his co-workers uncomfortable enough to report him to their managers, who gave him several warnings before rightfully terminating him as an employee. Here's a more detailed write-up about Kevin Cernekee, what he stands for, and why no one wants to work with him (link below). https://medium.com/@mikewacker/the-other-side-of-kevin-cernekee-a88fd6b81606 https://medium.com/@mikewacker/the-other-side-of-kevin-cerne... edit: Thanks for the downvotes, too. I'm sorry you couldn't contribute more (read: anything) to this thread.
    - vogre 7y ago
      He was fired for his political position, which is, AFAIK, not a rare case in US companies. In the link you provided it's clear he was hated and fired for political discussions in mailing lists.
      - elbrian 7y ago
        By political discussions, you mean openly supporting (and fundraising at Google for) white pride organizations?
        vogre 7y ago
        Well yes. Supporting political organisation is the form of political activity. He was bullied and fired for these actions only, I don't see any mentions that he was annoying people any way other than expressing his views. How is that different from penalising people for supporting violent protests?
- testACCT321 7y ago
  Tons of youtubers have been deplatformed/demonitized. Anytime a company fires someone, deplatforms or demonitizes for "Hate Speach" that would meet the broad definition of anti-free speech.
- syshum 7y ago
  Sorry i have a job and can not sit on HN news all day... As to examples, it is clear by your comments you do not want actual examples but rather just want to move the goal posts Cancel Culture is very real, people are terminated from jobs all the time based on their personal posts on twitter, Facebook, Instagram etc, or other comments online that "offend" a certain segment of the population that is perpetually offended at everything and then pressure employers to fire those people. Happens every day, across this nation
  - elbrian 7y ago
    You really couldn't be bothered to come up with one single example? Yikes.

PeterStuer 7y ago

Depends how you want to frame 'the same'. The way I interpreted the article it is postulating both as dismissal on the grounds of voicing an opinion that is deemed offensive to a constituency the organization wants to be in good standing with.