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Can somebody help me out here. I think the biggest issue on my mind for the coming election is the U.S. and China relations. I don't see any candidate who seem

by aty268 7y ago

Can somebody help me out here. I think the biggest issue on my mind for the coming election is the U.S. and China relations. I don't see any candidate who seems to have an interest whatsoever in being tough on China, and more terrifying, could lead us during a time that something bad did happen. Trump isn't the greatest, but he is the ONLY one I can see who I would trust would at least have the gall to stand up to China.

CreepGin 7y ago
Andrew Yang is a Taiwanese-American. It will be very interesting if he comes on top in the months ahead.
- aty268 7y ago
  I was an avid supporter of Yang, but I think he is a bit naive (Dr. Oz comments?) isn't a great speaker, and hasn't said anything much about China. UBI is the second most important issue on the docket, China is way further ahead. What do you think?
  - loceng 7y ago
    How many hours of video content have you watched of Yang speaking? Genuinely curious. And what specifically you have watched making you think he's not a great speaker? Toward the end of Yang being on Eric Weinstein's The Portal podcast they briefly talk about a solution regarding China. Yang definitely is aware, and he certainly understand the foundational principles of economics better than the other candidates based on what I have heard him speak of.
  - CreepGin 7y ago
    I'm in the same boat. Yang makes logical and simple-to-understand solutions to real problems we are facing. But at the same time, I just don't feel he's charismatic or inspiring enough. And I also find it weird he hasn't talked much about his stance on China. I really don't see any downside of declaring a tough stance on China as far as candidacy goes. One thing I agree with him though, the top 3 dem candidates right now don't really stand a chance against Trump.
dkonofalski 7y ago
Sorry but I don't see how you can say that no candidate except Trump seems to have an interest in being tough on China. Most Democratic candidates have publicly stated that they would continue to work with China on global issues like climate change and the economy but that they would fight back unequivocally against human rights violations. At least a handful, including Sanders and Warren, have also extended that fight to censorship and labor practices.
ideamotor 7y ago
I can help you out here: "During a phone call with Xi on June 18, Trump raised Biden's political prospects as well as those of Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who by then had started rising in the polls, according to two people familiar with the discussion. In that call, Trump also told Xi he would remain quiet on Hong Kong protests as trade talks progressed." https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/trump-biden-call-xi-secure-server/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/trump-biden-call-xi-... Tough guy ...
jerf 7y ago
Really, it just became an issue in like the last couple of days. Given the pace of the modern news cycle, I'd expect to start seeing some policy trial balloons floated by next week.
liuliu 7y ago
Then it is working. Fear is the best thing to force people to adopt authoritarianism. This comment just illustrated fearmongering is working beautifully in the United States as well.
- aty268 7y ago
  Perhaps this is true, but I would be terribly naive not to be afraid of what China is capable of doing, and the future of humanity if we don't take this issue seriously.
  - shkkmo 7y ago
    Given Trump's antics with Syria and his unwillingness to listen to military experts, I absolutely do not want Trump involved in the decision making process if the situation deteriorates with China. Regardless of what you think of his policies on immigration, trade and regulation, there is no way to see Trump as a competent commander in chief.
    - rpmisms 7y ago
      However, Trump is a good negotiator, as we've seen with North Korea. Yes, he strongarms, but that's the US for you. I'm skeptical--but not in denial--about the possibility that this is phase 1 of the subdue-China plan.
      - shkkmo 7y ago
        what was accomplished with N Korea?
        rpmisms 7y ago
        He walked across the fucking border.
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dirtyid 7y ago
Pivot to Asia, TPP, quietly placing many restrictions on Chinese tech acquisitions to curtail China2025 ambitions well before Trump took office. Trump is playing up grievance politics to look like he's the only one standing up to China but undermining any real chance to successfully contain China by neglecting allies while reintroducing McCarthyism domestically and boosting Chinese nationalism and entrenching CPC support. People are eating the bait because they think China is bilateral problem. China is exploiting this, there's no united front against OBOR abroad and domestically the CPC can push through painful reforms that would have undermined their credibility by blaming the tradewar. That's reality TV foreign policy for you.
MaupitiBlue 7y ago
Biden has come out against the trade war. “I mean, you know, they’re not bad folks, folks. But guess what? They’re not competition for us,” he added.

by aty268 7y ago

CreepGin 7y ago

Andrew Yang is a Taiwanese-American. It will be very interesting if he comes on top in the months ahead.

aty268 7y ago
I was an avid supporter of Yang, but I think he is a bit naive (Dr. Oz comments?) isn't a great speaker, and hasn't said anything much about China. UBI is the second most important issue on the docket, China is way further ahead. What do you think?
- loceng 7y ago
  How many hours of video content have you watched of Yang speaking? Genuinely curious. And what specifically you have watched making you think he's not a great speaker? Toward the end of Yang being on Eric Weinstein's The Portal podcast they briefly talk about a solution regarding China. Yang definitely is aware, and he certainly understand the foundational principles of economics better than the other candidates based on what I have heard him speak of.
- CreepGin 7y ago
  I'm in the same boat. Yang makes logical and simple-to-understand solutions to real problems we are facing. But at the same time, I just don't feel he's charismatic or inspiring enough. And I also find it weird he hasn't talked much about his stance on China. I really don't see any downside of declaring a tough stance on China as far as candidacy goes. One thing I agree with him though, the top 3 dem candidates right now don't really stand a chance against Trump.

dkonofalski 7y ago

Sorry but I don't see how you can say that no candidate except Trump seems to have an interest in being tough on China. Most Democratic candidates have publicly stated that they would continue to work with China on global issues like climate change and the economy but that they would fight back unequivocally against human rights violations. At least a handful, including Sanders and Warren, have also extended that fight to censorship and labor practices.

ideamotor 7y ago

I can help you out here: "During a phone call with Xi on June 18, Trump raised Biden's political prospects as well as those of Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who by then had started rising in the polls, according to two people familiar with the discussion. In that call, Trump also told Xi he would remain quiet on Hong Kong protests as trade talks progressed." https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/trump-biden-call-xi-secure-server/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/trump-biden-call-xi-... Tough guy ...

jerf 7y ago

Really, it just became an issue in like the last couple of days. Given the pace of the modern news cycle, I'd expect to start seeing some policy trial balloons floated by next week.

liuliu 7y ago

Then it is working. Fear is the best thing to force people to adopt authoritarianism. This comment just illustrated fearmongering is working beautifully in the United States as well.

aty268 7y ago
Perhaps this is true, but I would be terribly naive not to be afraid of what China is capable of doing, and the future of humanity if we don't take this issue seriously.
- shkkmo 7y ago
  Given Trump's antics with Syria and his unwillingness to listen to military experts, I absolutely do not want Trump involved in the decision making process if the situation deteriorates with China. Regardless of what you think of his policies on immigration, trade and regulation, there is no way to see Trump as a competent commander in chief.
  - rpmisms 7y ago
    However, Trump is a good negotiator, as we've seen with North Korea. Yes, he strongarms, but that's the US for you. I'm skeptical--but not in denial--about the possibility that this is phase 1 of the subdue-China plan.
    - shkkmo 7y ago
      what was accomplished with N Korea?
      - rpmisms 7y ago
        He walked across the fucking border.
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dirtyid 7y ago

Pivot to Asia, TPP, quietly placing many restrictions on Chinese tech acquisitions to curtail China2025 ambitions well before Trump took office. Trump is playing up grievance politics to look like he's the only one standing up to China but undermining any real chance to successfully contain China by neglecting allies while reintroducing McCarthyism domestically and boosting Chinese nationalism and entrenching CPC support. People are eating the bait because they think China is bilateral problem. China is exploiting this, there's no united front against OBOR abroad and domestically the CPC can push through painful reforms that would have undermined their credibility by blaming the tradewar. That's reality TV foreign policy for you.

MaupitiBlue 7y ago

Biden has come out against the trade war. “I mean, you know, they’re not bad folks, folks. But guess what? They’re not competition for us,” he added.