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> any idiot can see what's going on Yes? Would you want to try circumventing the great firewall without getting caught? I fear the Chinese are mostly supporti

> any idiot can see what's going on Yes? Would you want to try circumventing the great firewall without getting caught? I fear the Chinese are mostly supportive. Most Germans also supported Hitler before things went awry, and his election results were superb even before massive manipulation began. There was still a substantial minority that didn't support him and resisted at great personal cost, much like some educated Chinese citizens are resisting at great personal cost now, knowing that many share their sentiments, but assuming that most people will find a way to look beyond the propaganda seems overly optimistic to me.

dekhn 7y ago
Don't large numbers of professional chinese who work on the internet use VPNs to get around the firewall? My insight into this comes mainly from professional Chinese scientists who were previously trained in the US but returned to China because there were better scientific opportunities. Many of them have told me (in person, while visitng the US) that they have to use VPNs to get their work done, and as long as they are relatively cautious, circumspect, and don't repeat what they see to others, they are tolerated.
- LinuxBender 7y ago
  Some Chinese companies are allowed to bypass the great firewall, but only if they demonstrate that they comply with the governments monitoring and filtering requirements themselves. I know of a couple companies that are in this category. They don't need VPN's. They have circuits to all continents, but they are also just as vigilant as their government. They are also required to provide all encryption keys. I am not naming names.
dTal 7y ago
>some educated Chinese citizens are resisting at great personal cost now, knowing that many share their sentiments It seems we agree. >assuming that most people will find a way to look beyond the propaganda seems overly optimistic to me. Most people? Yes, that would be overly optimistic. But enough people to render "overwhelming support" inaccurate? Not overly optimistic at all.

dekhn 7y ago

Don't large numbers of professional chinese who work on the internet use VPNs to get around the firewall? My insight into this comes mainly from professional Chinese scientists who were previously trained in the US but returned to China because there were better scientific opportunities. Many of them have told me (in person, while visitng the US) that they have to use VPNs to get their work done, and as long as they are relatively cautious, circumspect, and don't repeat what they see to others, they are tolerated.

LinuxBender 7y ago
Some Chinese companies are allowed to bypass the great firewall, but only if they demonstrate that they comply with the governments monitoring and filtering requirements themselves. I know of a couple companies that are in this category. They don't need VPN's. They have circuits to all continents, but they are also just as vigilant as their government. They are also required to provide all encryption keys. I am not naming names.

dTal 7y ago

>some educated Chinese citizens are resisting at great personal cost now, knowing that many share their sentiments It seems we agree. >assuming that most people will find a way to look beyond the propaganda seems overly optimistic to me. Most people? Yes, that would be overly optimistic. But enough people to render "overwhelming support" inaccurate? Not overly optimistic at all.