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South Park is spot on this season. You could say they are good with predictions, but I think they just gave different perspective to something that already has

South Park is spot on this season. You could say they are good with predictions, but I think they just gave different perspective to something that already has been happening (episodes on China censorship)

bdibs 7y ago
While I agree they’re spot on, it’s not like this is a new issue.
- zygimantasdev 7y ago
  I guess what I meant - I looked at these issues differently, others probably too. Apple, Google "selling out" to be in China? Oh well - that seems reasonable since its a big market. South Park put it into different perspective. I guess that is what art does
  - helpPeople 7y ago
    Google sold out to China how?
    - ViViDboarder 7y ago
      Censored search engine. Project Dragonfly.
      - fesoliveira 7y ago
        As far as I know, they pulled the cord on that one
- kkarakk 7y ago
  China has been leveraging their power "quietly" for some time now. Anything anti-China gets buried or discredited or shouted down using whataboutisms. Even here on hackernews you'll see tons of posts on negative chinese news from month old accounts fuzzing the narrative saying some variation of "it's not easy to understand if you're not chinese etc etc" The hong kong issue is just bringing the issue into the mainstream
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    > Anything anti-China gets buried or discredited or shouted down using whataboutisms. Interesting. The only time I see whataboutism and China/Russia brought up in the same HN thread is when somebody tries to defend China/Russia by pointing out similar problems in the West, and that person gets shouted down and accused of engaging in "whataboutism".
    - Eldt 7y ago
      Sounds like you're describing the same thing. I've seen many comments defend China and try to turn attention towards actions done by the US.
      - TeMPOraL 7y ago
        I initially read kkarakk's comment as a reverse of what I wrote, but even if we're talking the same, I personally believe that any and all accusations of whataboutism are just thought-terminating cliches and are invalid from the start.
      - yters 7y ago
        What US actions are equivalent to China? If you were in China could you make the same argument regarding Chinese actions?
    - esailija 7y ago
      It's not to defend China/Russia but to prove that the accuser is not interested in the problem itself but only in weaponizing the problem against those countries. Defense is not necessary or actually even possible since the claims are always made without any evidence.
    - ViViDboarder 7y ago
      Exactly. Someone responding to something shitty one person does by pointing out something someone else did is attempting to “shout down” the original comment with whataboutisms.
  - 7y ago
- nfRfqX5n 7y ago
  true. blizzard has even done this with world of warcraft back in the day. to launch it in china they had to remove all skeleton models
  - walshemj 7y ago
    Which is quite frankly bizarre has there ever been a rational argument put forward as to why skeleton are so tabu. This would be like the USA demanding all mentions and images of Jiangshi - The hopping zombie/vampire undead where removed.
bliztw2019 7y ago
South Park were the sellouts that paved the way for all of this.... but around 8 years ago they decided that money was more important than their principles... And here we are. > money was more important than their principles BTW that's really been the core principle. The US citizens lost their game of chicken with the govt.
- appleflaxen 7y ago
  what happened 8 years ago?
  - milofeynman 7y ago
    That user has no other comments. Their punctuation and wording is odd. Their post contains no substantive info. This whole thread is full of weird whataboutisms. Chinese paid troll army puts Russia's to shame.
    - actuator 7y ago
      He might be talking about the one Season 5 episode and Episode 200. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/200_(South_Park) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/200_(South_Park) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Best_Friends https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Best_Friends
    - dang 7y ago
      You broke the site guidelines by posting this. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here? Here are various explanations if you want to read some: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21200971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21200971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21201077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21201077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195089 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195089 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 Previous comments on this at: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20western%20chin&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

bdibs 7y ago

While I agree they’re spot on, it’s not like this is a new issue.

zygimantasdev 7y ago
I guess what I meant - I looked at these issues differently, others probably too. Apple, Google "selling out" to be in China? Oh well - that seems reasonable since its a big market. South Park put it into different perspective. I guess that is what art does
- helpPeople 7y ago
  Google sold out to China how?
  - ViViDboarder 7y ago
    Censored search engine. Project Dragonfly.
    - fesoliveira 7y ago
      As far as I know, they pulled the cord on that one
kkarakk 7y ago
China has been leveraging their power "quietly" for some time now. Anything anti-China gets buried or discredited or shouted down using whataboutisms. Even here on hackernews you'll see tons of posts on negative chinese news from month old accounts fuzzing the narrative saying some variation of "it's not easy to understand if you're not chinese etc etc" The hong kong issue is just bringing the issue into the mainstream
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  > Anything anti-China gets buried or discredited or shouted down using whataboutisms. Interesting. The only time I see whataboutism and China/Russia brought up in the same HN thread is when somebody tries to defend China/Russia by pointing out similar problems in the West, and that person gets shouted down and accused of engaging in "whataboutism".
  - Eldt 7y ago
    Sounds like you're describing the same thing. I've seen many comments defend China and try to turn attention towards actions done by the US.
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      I initially read kkarakk's comment as a reverse of what I wrote, but even if we're talking the same, I personally believe that any and all accusations of whataboutism are just thought-terminating cliches and are invalid from the start.
    - yters 7y ago
      What US actions are equivalent to China? If you were in China could you make the same argument regarding Chinese actions?
  - esailija 7y ago
    It's not to defend China/Russia but to prove that the accuser is not interested in the problem itself but only in weaponizing the problem against those countries. Defense is not necessary or actually even possible since the claims are always made without any evidence.
  - ViViDboarder 7y ago
    Exactly. Someone responding to something shitty one person does by pointing out something someone else did is attempting to “shout down” the original comment with whataboutisms.
- 7y ago
nfRfqX5n 7y ago
true. blizzard has even done this with world of warcraft back in the day. to launch it in china they had to remove all skeleton models
- walshemj 7y ago
  Which is quite frankly bizarre has there ever been a rational argument put forward as to why skeleton are so tabu. This would be like the USA demanding all mentions and images of Jiangshi - The hopping zombie/vampire undead where removed.

bliztw2019 7y ago

South Park were the sellouts that paved the way for all of this.... but around 8 years ago they decided that money was more important than their principles... And here we are. > money was more important than their principles BTW that's really been the core principle. The US citizens lost their game of chicken with the govt.

appleflaxen 7y ago
what happened 8 years ago?
- milofeynman 7y ago
  That user has no other comments. Their punctuation and wording is odd. Their post contains no substantive info. This whole thread is full of weird whataboutisms. Chinese paid troll army puts Russia's to shame.
  - actuator 7y ago
    He might be talking about the one Season 5 episode and Episode 200. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/200_(South_Park) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/200_(South_Park) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Best_Friends https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Best_Friends
  - dang 7y ago
    You broke the site guidelines by posting this. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here? Here are various explanations if you want to read some: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21200971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21200971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21201077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21201077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195089 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195089 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 Previous comments on this at: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20western%20chin&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...