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Ironically (I cannot seem to word this in my mind without sounding like an ass so please don't take offense), your comment is about 10 lines long on my 15 inch

by mrep 7y ago

Ironically (I cannot seem to word this in my mind without sounding like an ass so please don't take offense), your comment is about 10 lines long on my 15 inch laptop making it somewhat difficult to read for us vision readers. A double new line every few sentences which causes a paragraph on hacker news makes it much easier.

TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
Mildly amusing. I definitely find this a little annoying too. If you make the browser window narrower the eye has a lot less trouble moving from the end of one line back to the start of the next. I like wide screens because they make it better for having two apps side by side, rather than one app full width .
- maigret 7y ago
  Hacker News could easily set a max-width on the problematic items. Every designer (and so should every web developer) knows that the sweet spot for reading is around 60 characters and a column of text if readable between 40 and 60 characters. Check for example the free course from https://betterwebtype.com/ https://betterwebtype.com/
  - u801e 7y ago
    > Every designer (and so should every web developer) knows that the sweet spot for reading is around 60 characters and a column of text if readable between 40 and 60 characters. That is interesting. For source code, I've always preferred maintaining a maximum line length of 80 characters. But there are plenty of people who prefer significantly longer line lengths because they feel it's more readable that way.
    - dottedmag 7y ago
      Source code is not text, it's all serialized trees and sequences. We don't write code in paragraphs.
Dylan16807 7y ago
If you need more line spacing, then you can tell your browser to do that. Either a few minutes with userContent or an extension like https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/line-height-adjuster/nggicopcmcgpnpjbibppkjadniipeppa https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/line-height-adjust... And long lines are trivially helped by making the window less wide. So you've provided a good demonstration about how vastly easier things are to adjust for someone that can see.
- mrep 7y ago
  The problem isn't line spacing whatsoever, it's tracing which one of the 10 lines you are reading from one side of a screen to another as your read it. Did you make your comment 3 paragraphs ironically?
  - Dylan16807 7y ago
    > The problem isn't line spacing whatsoever, it's tracing which one of the 10 lines you are reading from one side of a screen to another as your read it. Then make your window less wide. It's not the writer's problem. > Did you make your comment 3 paragraphs ironically? No, but I don't think it would be hard to read if it was one paragraph. That formatting is to add in small pauses, not to make it easier to read when lines wrap.
    - acqq 7y ago
      > Then make your window less wide. It's not the writer's problem. Exactly. Not all we want and need to tell other people can be reduced to tweets. whoever has the windows maximised on a desktop has another option, and the paragraph was never a 140 character slogan.
      - downtide 7y ago
        Problem is that tabbed interfaces make window resizing harder. Bring back MDIs (maybe)!
DoreenMichele 7y ago
I have such bad eyesight that I gave up my driver's license. I didn't find it that burdensome to read the comment in question. You might want to get your eyes checked or read up on other disabilities that can impair reading ability even if your eyesight is fine. If you feel so impinged upon that it makes sense to you to ask a blind person to accommodate your needs and problems, you may have an unidentified handicap. https://www.thevisiontherapycenter.com/discovering-vision-therapy/bid/79221/Three-Causes-of-Tracking-Problems-in-Reading https://www.thevisiontherapycenter.com/discovering-vision-th... http://www.visuallearningcenter.com/9-signs-your-child-may-have-an-undiagnosed-vision-problem/ http://www.visuallearningcenter.com/9-signs-your-child-may-h...
- concordDance 7y ago
  > so impinged upon I greatly doubt it was anything more than mildy irritating and the grandparent never implied otherwise. It's annoying for me to read and I have perfect vision. Being blind doesn't make you immune to an expectation to be accomodating to others.
  - DoreenMichele 7y ago
    So the GP volunteers unasked for feedback and that's cool. I do the exact same thing they did and somehow that makes me the asshole? I already covered the fact that tracking problems can be due to reasons other than poor eyesight. I even provided supporting links for that assertion. Part of my background is working for an educational organization that catered to the needs of gifted kids, including twice exceptional kids. It was common for early readers to have tracking problems and for parents to share practical tips on how to cope, as well as talk about at what point to get concerned and get the kids checked for something else.
    - concordDance 7y ago
      > somehow that makes me the asshole? Um. No? I don't think anyone implied you were. :S
mltony 7y ago
I appreciate this feedback, I'll keep it in mind for my future comments. And by the way, it is very common that people can't find words to give me feedback - happens pretty often. So I encourage people to give me feedback - no need to feel like ass :)
oarsinsync 7y ago
If you make your browser window half width, or increase your text size, you may find it's easier to read. When I'm awake and focused, I can read smaller text across longer lines without problems. When I'm more tired, I need to increase the text size, bring the screen closer, make window widths smaller. You may also benefit from getting your vision checked. This may be early stages of something occurring, and the sooner it's identified the better.
- downtide 7y ago
  There's other cognitive issues here. I find reading from the screen difficult, CRT, LED, OLED, but I'm fine given e-ink. Any web pages with text more than a paragraph or so is sent to an e-reader for me, otherwise I just cannot comprehend the content. I can cope with snippets.

by mrep 7y ago

TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago

Mildly amusing. I definitely find this a little annoying too. If you make the browser window narrower the eye has a lot less trouble moving from the end of one line back to the start of the next. I like wide screens because they make it better for having two apps side by side, rather than one app full width .

maigret 7y ago
Hacker News could easily set a max-width on the problematic items. Every designer (and so should every web developer) knows that the sweet spot for reading is around 60 characters and a column of text if readable between 40 and 60 characters. Check for example the free course from https://betterwebtype.com/ https://betterwebtype.com/
- u801e 7y ago
  > Every designer (and so should every web developer) knows that the sweet spot for reading is around 60 characters and a column of text if readable between 40 and 60 characters. That is interesting. For source code, I've always preferred maintaining a maximum line length of 80 characters. But there are plenty of people who prefer significantly longer line lengths because they feel it's more readable that way.
  - dottedmag 7y ago
    Source code is not text, it's all serialized trees and sequences. We don't write code in paragraphs.

Dylan16807 7y ago

If you need more line spacing, then you can tell your browser to do that. Either a few minutes with userContent or an extension like https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/line-height-adjuster/nggicopcmcgpnpjbibppkjadniipeppa https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/line-height-adjust... And long lines are trivially helped by making the window less wide. So you've provided a good demonstration about how vastly easier things are to adjust for someone that can see.

mrep 7y ago
The problem isn't line spacing whatsoever, it's tracing which one of the 10 lines you are reading from one side of a screen to another as your read it. Did you make your comment 3 paragraphs ironically?
- Dylan16807 7y ago
  > The problem isn't line spacing whatsoever, it's tracing which one of the 10 lines you are reading from one side of a screen to another as your read it. Then make your window less wide. It's not the writer's problem. > Did you make your comment 3 paragraphs ironically? No, but I don't think it would be hard to read if it was one paragraph. That formatting is to add in small pauses, not to make it easier to read when lines wrap.
  - acqq 7y ago
    > Then make your window less wide. It's not the writer's problem. Exactly. Not all we want and need to tell other people can be reduced to tweets. whoever has the windows maximised on a desktop has another option, and the paragraph was never a 140 character slogan.
    - downtide 7y ago
      Problem is that tabbed interfaces make window resizing harder. Bring back MDIs (maybe)!

DoreenMichele 7y ago

I have such bad eyesight that I gave up my driver's license. I didn't find it that burdensome to read the comment in question. You might want to get your eyes checked or read up on other disabilities that can impair reading ability even if your eyesight is fine. If you feel so impinged upon that it makes sense to you to ask a blind person to accommodate your needs and problems, you may have an unidentified handicap. https://www.thevisiontherapycenter.com/discovering-vision-therapy/bid/79221/Three-Causes-of-Tracking-Problems-in-Reading https://www.thevisiontherapycenter.com/discovering-vision-th... http://www.visuallearningcenter.com/9-signs-your-child-may-have-an-undiagnosed-vision-problem/ http://www.visuallearningcenter.com/9-signs-your-child-may-h...

concordDance 7y ago
> so impinged upon I greatly doubt it was anything more than mildy irritating and the grandparent never implied otherwise. It's annoying for me to read and I have perfect vision. Being blind doesn't make you immune to an expectation to be accomodating to others.
- DoreenMichele 7y ago
  So the GP volunteers unasked for feedback and that's cool. I do the exact same thing they did and somehow that makes me the asshole? I already covered the fact that tracking problems can be due to reasons other than poor eyesight. I even provided supporting links for that assertion. Part of my background is working for an educational organization that catered to the needs of gifted kids, including twice exceptional kids. It was common for early readers to have tracking problems and for parents to share practical tips on how to cope, as well as talk about at what point to get concerned and get the kids checked for something else.
  - concordDance 7y ago
    > somehow that makes me the asshole? Um. No? I don't think anyone implied you were. :S

mltony 7y ago

I appreciate this feedback, I'll keep it in mind for my future comments. And by the way, it is very common that people can't find words to give me feedback - happens pretty often. So I encourage people to give me feedback - no need to feel like ass :)

oarsinsync 7y ago

If you make your browser window half width, or increase your text size, you may find it's easier to read. When I'm awake and focused, I can read smaller text across longer lines without problems. When I'm more tired, I need to increase the text size, bring the screen closer, make window widths smaller. You may also benefit from getting your vision checked. This may be early stages of something occurring, and the sooner it's identified the better.

downtide 7y ago
There's other cognitive issues here. I find reading from the screen difficult, CRT, LED, OLED, but I'm fine given e-ink. Any web pages with text more than a paragraph or so is sent to an e-reader for me, otherwise I just cannot comprehend the content. I can cope with snippets.