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It also shows that Stallman was right from the beginning, it's just most people didn't believe such things could happen. The very basic right, the right to run

It also shows that Stallman was right from the beginning, it's just most people didn't believe such things could happen. The very basic right, the right to run the software, can be limited in an arbitrary way.

nixpulvis 7y ago
Honestly, it's not enough to just be able to run it. You need to be able to see it's source, and make modifications to it. Not all software developers can handle all use cases that will be needed, and it's unrealistic to say, "if the use case is needed enough there would be market forces to implement it".
noobermin 7y ago
This comment says "Stallman was right" regarding the cloud. Not "Stallman was right about Marvin Minsky." This is an argument people can't distinguish the man from the idea, or his software, or his organization, etc.
- SkyBelow 7y ago
  I wonder how many people even know what Stallman said about Minsky. Most of the media I read reported incorrect summaries that leave out critical details.
- droithomme 7y ago
  Well let's talk Minsky since you wanted to bring it up. Minsky and Stallman were long term friends. Minsky is dead and can't defend himself. Stallman, when directly asked about Minsky, said he didn't believe Minsky knew the girl was a sex slave, and Minsky believed the sex was consensual. It's a fair comment by Stallman. Legally it's also irrelevant since believing sex is consensual when it's not doesn't matter. Also there's the issue of it being statutory rape as well, age of consent in Virgin Islands is 18. But Minsky's dead so he can't be prosecuted for either charge anyway. Did Minsky know he was a rapist? Maybe not, Stallman points out. Fair enough. Was Minsky legally a rapist? Almost certainly so. Would have been a good follow up question to Stallman so he could clarify his thoughts. Are Stallman's opinions here objectionable? I don't find them so. Worth annihilating the reputation and life of someone who is possibly the most productive software developer in history? I think not.
  - etiam 7y ago
    I don't particularly want to engage further with what I consider a pure smear campaign, but it seems fair to at least take the time to share the information with you that the woman's deposition mentions she was 'directed to' have sex with Marvin Minsky, but not that she actually did, and there is an eyewitness testifying that Minsky turned her down. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20909030 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20909030 I don't find anything objectionable about Stallman's opinions here either. Quite the contrary in fact.
    - dvfjsdhgfv 7y ago
      So all this sad show is based on false reporting about something that Stallman didn't say about something that Minsky didn't even do. I don't know how the people who caused this can look at their reflection in the mirror with a straight face.
- SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
  Unless I'm missing something your comment (and the replies to it) are the only mentions of Minsky in this entire thread?
  - LocalH 7y ago
    I'm guessing the comment had initially started to fade, but people have voted it back up since then?

nixpulvis 7y ago

Honestly, it's not enough to just be able to run it. You need to be able to see it's source, and make modifications to it. Not all software developers can handle all use cases that will be needed, and it's unrealistic to say, "if the use case is needed enough there would be market forces to implement it".

noobermin 7y ago

This comment says "Stallman was right" regarding the cloud. Not "Stallman was right about Marvin Minsky." This is an argument people can't distinguish the man from the idea, or his software, or his organization, etc.

SkyBelow 7y ago
I wonder how many people even know what Stallman said about Minsky. Most of the media I read reported incorrect summaries that leave out critical details.
droithomme 7y ago
Well let's talk Minsky since you wanted to bring it up. Minsky and Stallman were long term friends. Minsky is dead and can't defend himself. Stallman, when directly asked about Minsky, said he didn't believe Minsky knew the girl was a sex slave, and Minsky believed the sex was consensual. It's a fair comment by Stallman. Legally it's also irrelevant since believing sex is consensual when it's not doesn't matter. Also there's the issue of it being statutory rape as well, age of consent in Virgin Islands is 18. But Minsky's dead so he can't be prosecuted for either charge anyway. Did Minsky know he was a rapist? Maybe not, Stallman points out. Fair enough. Was Minsky legally a rapist? Almost certainly so. Would have been a good follow up question to Stallman so he could clarify his thoughts. Are Stallman's opinions here objectionable? I don't find them so. Worth annihilating the reputation and life of someone who is possibly the most productive software developer in history? I think not.
- etiam 7y ago
  I don't particularly want to engage further with what I consider a pure smear campaign, but it seems fair to at least take the time to share the information with you that the woman's deposition mentions she was 'directed to' have sex with Marvin Minsky, but not that she actually did, and there is an eyewitness testifying that Minsky turned her down. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20909030 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20909030 I don't find anything objectionable about Stallman's opinions here either. Quite the contrary in fact.
  - dvfjsdhgfv 7y ago
    So all this sad show is based on false reporting about something that Stallman didn't say about something that Minsky didn't even do. I don't know how the people who caused this can look at their reflection in the mirror with a straight face.
SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
Unless I'm missing something your comment (and the replies to it) are the only mentions of Minsky in this entire thread?
- LocalH 7y ago
  I'm guessing the comment had initially started to fade, but people have voted it back up since then?