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I really wish I had more of the know how to make a Kickstarter/Crowd Supply for this. I imagine an mp3 player with native Rockbox support would be very popular,

by kop316 7y ago

I really wish I had more of the know how to make a Kickstarter/Crowd Supply for this. I imagine an mp3 player with native Rockbox support would be very popular, especially in the form factor of an iPod and/or a Sansa Clip.

dfc 7y ago
I thought the Clip or Clip+ was already supported.
- kop316 7y ago
  They are, but they are no longer being manufactured. They have the Clip Zip/Sport, and Rockbox is no longer supported on them. I use a CLip Sport for workouts, but they are not nearly as good as the Clip+
hiram112 7y ago
I'd love to see this too and would be interested in funding it. I know that stand-alone mp3 players are a niche now that everyone carries a far more powerful phone. But there has to be enough support to make an open source Clip-like device profitable or at least break-even after costs. The hardware that ran early Clips, IPod shuffles, and other small players existed 15 years ago. A dozen Chinese manufacturers still sell small players, which now are about the only option left, but they skimp on quality components like batteries and decent software.
- kop316 7y ago
  There are a bunch of niche ones still, they either go way low end or way high end. I have a FiiO X5 for my "regular" mp3 player and a Sansa Clip Sport for my workout one. Sadly, I work a daytime job and don't really have the time or will to actually capitalize on this. I do think that'd be a great way for Rockbox to fund themselves though. Make a Kickstarter with Rockbox officially supporting it, and the profits could go to the upkeep of rockbox.
  - hiram112 7y ago
    I've looked at the FiiO lineup and they do seem like some really sweet hardware, though more geared for the audiophile. But like you said, they're geared towards either the high end like FiiO or the very very lowend (i.e. third world countries where smartphones are only beginning to become ubiquitous in the last few years).
    - kop316 7y ago
      I have a Gen 2, and there are some firmware warts, but it works reasonably well. Sadly, their new offerings all use Android, so now I have all of the hassles of a Phone (spying, out of date, etc.) in my mp3 player! I just want a simple self contained mp3 player. If mine breaks, I think my next one will be an iPod loaded with Rockbox.
- neRok 7y ago
  now that everyone carries a far more powerful phone Power is hardly relevant in this day and age, as any device with a decent firmware should be able to handle a ton of files and formats (this wasn't always the case, hence the need for rockbox). Smart phones have versatility, but you sacrifice a lot on the music side. The audio hardware within the smartphone isn't as good, and it took a lot of years until there was an android player that had the bare minimum of features required by an audio enthusiast, namely lossless support (flac), replay gain, and gapless playback. Additionally, there are now players that run android and have all the "fruit", so the benefits are dimished. But don't overlook the versatility of a standalone player, because relatively cheap devices like the Fiio X3 II that I am still running have other advantages compared to phone. It supports big sd cards (wasn't always a given on smart phones), has long battery life, has physical buttons (so can be operated without removing from pocket), and also functions as a USB DAC. So, lots of wins there.
sapphire_tomb 7y ago
There have been a number of attempts at this over the years with Rockbox (not sure about recent years though as I no longer hang out in the dev channel on freenode). All of them came to naught eventually though.
- kop316 7y ago
  Well one thought is seeing if the Pine Community would be interested in working on this. They seem to be in the business of making Linux style things, and I wonder if this would be up their alley.
phaedrus 7y ago
A few years ago I had the itch to do this and got as far as buying a hardware development kit one of the NXP LCP chips. They're low power ARM CPUs available in LQFP form (so theoretically hand-solderable) and it should be not hard to port Rockbox to it. I got overwhelmed at the prospect of starting the CAD schematic and layout for the project (I've done simple microcontroller boards in Eagle, but never one this complex). The daunting task was wiring up all the data and address lines for 2x large RAM chips and 2x Flash chips, and my ADHD kicked in, plus frustration at not being able to use programmer abstractions to do circuit CAD. I also kept not finding the time to port Rockbox on the hardware development kit. Side note: there's giant hole in the market offerings for hobbyist single board computers. You have microcontrollers with KB's of RAM, and things like the Raspberry Pi with GB's of RAM, but there's nothing with ~16 MB of RAM and a low power 32-bit processor. The chips exist, just no one has created a cheap & compact hobbyist board (i.e. not a hw dev kit).
- duskwuff 7y ago
  > Side note: there's giant hole in the market offerings for hobbyist single board computers. ST's STM32 Discovery boards [1] fit that bill reasonably well. They're inexpensive (many under $20, most under $100), supported by an open toolchain (GCC / GDB / OpenOCD), and provide a wide variety of peripherals. Most parts don't have more than 1 or 2 MB of on-chip SRAM, but a decent number of their boards have 8 or 16 MB of external SDRAM. [1]: https://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/stm32-discovery-kits.html https://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/stm32-discovery-kits....
0-_-0 7y ago
I just Googled "rockbox" kickstarter but your comment came up as the first hit :)

by kop316 7y ago

dfc 7y ago

I thought the Clip or Clip+ was already supported.

kop316 7y ago
They are, but they are no longer being manufactured. They have the Clip Zip/Sport, and Rockbox is no longer supported on them. I use a CLip Sport for workouts, but they are not nearly as good as the Clip+

hiram112 7y ago

I'd love to see this too and would be interested in funding it. I know that stand-alone mp3 players are a niche now that everyone carries a far more powerful phone. But there has to be enough support to make an open source Clip-like device profitable or at least break-even after costs. The hardware that ran early Clips, IPod shuffles, and other small players existed 15 years ago. A dozen Chinese manufacturers still sell small players, which now are about the only option left, but they skimp on quality components like batteries and decent software.

kop316 7y ago
There are a bunch of niche ones still, they either go way low end or way high end. I have a FiiO X5 for my "regular" mp3 player and a Sansa Clip Sport for my workout one. Sadly, I work a daytime job and don't really have the time or will to actually capitalize on this. I do think that'd be a great way for Rockbox to fund themselves though. Make a Kickstarter with Rockbox officially supporting it, and the profits could go to the upkeep of rockbox.
- hiram112 7y ago
  I've looked at the FiiO lineup and they do seem like some really sweet hardware, though more geared for the audiophile. But like you said, they're geared towards either the high end like FiiO or the very very lowend (i.e. third world countries where smartphones are only beginning to become ubiquitous in the last few years).
  - kop316 7y ago
    I have a Gen 2, and there are some firmware warts, but it works reasonably well. Sadly, their new offerings all use Android, so now I have all of the hassles of a Phone (spying, out of date, etc.) in my mp3 player! I just want a simple self contained mp3 player. If mine breaks, I think my next one will be an iPod loaded with Rockbox.
neRok 7y ago
now that everyone carries a far more powerful phone Power is hardly relevant in this day and age, as any device with a decent firmware should be able to handle a ton of files and formats (this wasn't always the case, hence the need for rockbox). Smart phones have versatility, but you sacrifice a lot on the music side. The audio hardware within the smartphone isn't as good, and it took a lot of years until there was an android player that had the bare minimum of features required by an audio enthusiast, namely lossless support (flac), replay gain, and gapless playback. Additionally, there are now players that run android and have all the "fruit", so the benefits are dimished. But don't overlook the versatility of a standalone player, because relatively cheap devices like the Fiio X3 II that I am still running have other advantages compared to phone. It supports big sd cards (wasn't always a given on smart phones), has long battery life, has physical buttons (so can be operated without removing from pocket), and also functions as a USB DAC. So, lots of wins there.

sapphire_tomb 7y ago

There have been a number of attempts at this over the years with Rockbox (not sure about recent years though as I no longer hang out in the dev channel on freenode). All of them came to naught eventually though.

kop316 7y ago
Well one thought is seeing if the Pine Community would be interested in working on this. They seem to be in the business of making Linux style things, and I wonder if this would be up their alley.

phaedrus 7y ago

A few years ago I had the itch to do this and got as far as buying a hardware development kit one of the NXP LCP chips. They're low power ARM CPUs available in LQFP form (so theoretically hand-solderable) and it should be not hard to port Rockbox to it. I got overwhelmed at the prospect of starting the CAD schematic and layout for the project (I've done simple microcontroller boards in Eagle, but never one this complex). The daunting task was wiring up all the data and address lines for 2x large RAM chips and 2x Flash chips, and my ADHD kicked in, plus frustration at not being able to use programmer abstractions to do circuit CAD. I also kept not finding the time to port Rockbox on the hardware development kit. Side note: there's giant hole in the market offerings for hobbyist single board computers. You have microcontrollers with KB's of RAM, and things like the Raspberry Pi with GB's of RAM, but there's nothing with ~16 MB of RAM and a low power 32-bit processor. The chips exist, just no one has created a cheap & compact hobbyist board (i.e. not a hw dev kit).

duskwuff 7y ago
> Side note: there's giant hole in the market offerings for hobbyist single board computers. ST's STM32 Discovery boards [1] fit that bill reasonably well. They're inexpensive (many under $20, most under $100), supported by an open toolchain (GCC / GDB / OpenOCD), and provide a wide variety of peripherals. Most parts don't have more than 1 or 2 MB of on-chip SRAM, but a decent number of their boards have 8 or 16 MB of external SDRAM. [1]: https://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/stm32-discovery-kits.html https://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/stm32-discovery-kits....

0-_-0 7y ago

I just Googled "rockbox" kickstarter but your comment came up as the first hit :)