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Why would it be catastrophic? That kind of reliability works just fine for other luxury brands. Tesla's should naturally be better anyway due to the simpler dri

Why would it be catastrophic? That kind of reliability works just fine for other luxury brands. Tesla's should naturally be better anyway due to the simpler drivetrain and lack of maintenance.

zarro 7y ago
I think that is a lazy business model, selling cars at a very low margin just so that you could make money by planned obsolescence and high cost replacement parts. I would rather buy a car for more money that's engineered to the best possible attainable engineering perfection than one that is not. Often, those more reliable cars are even cheaper and made in massive production. Given Teslas goal of accelerating the change to sustainable energy, it would be in their best interest to make the best possible and reliable car they could at the highest possible production numbers, instead of leaving a competitive advantage for toyota to take over reliable scalable production. Besides I would argue the purpose of the model 3 is a mass market vehicle that is really nice, and not just a niche "luxury" vehicle as is often implied.
- jankyxenon 7y ago
  I don't think BMW's business model is lazy. You'll come up against design decisions again and again where the trade-off is performance vs. reliability. Toyota would more often choose the latter, BMW the former.
  - zarro 7y ago
    I disagree with the proposition that performance and reliability are categorically mutually exclusive.
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netsharc 7y ago
With the difference that Teslas have Lithium batteries. Mobile phone batteries become so crap after a few years... Anyone have an old Model S and want to share their experience?
faet 7y ago
>Tesla’s should be better if anything due to the simpler drivetrain and lack of maintenance Eh, their reliability is much worse than other brands, even luxury brands. https://www.truedelta.com/car-reliability-by-brand?min=2016&max=2019 https://www.truedelta.com/car-reliability-by-brand?min=2016&... https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/tesla-model-3-loses-cr-recommendation-over-reliability-issues/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisf... If it "works" it's great. But, once out of warranty it can be expensive and delayed before you can get your car fixed. On my S, I had to replace 3 door handles, drive unit, screen, TPS, passenger mirror was replaced, and a few other things. This was ~3 years of ownership and < 30k miles. Many of these things had a long delay before they could get fixed. I was in a loaner for over 3 weeks while they fixed the drive unit. My father had an X that got bought back due to never being able to fix the rear door sensor. It would open a foot and freeze. He also had a handful of other issues. This was in less than a year of ownership. My neighbor with the 3 got into an accident. It's ~6-8 months for them to fix their rear bumper. Additionally, one of the seatbelt adjusters and one of the AC vents rattle. So he stuck a piece of foam in there. His charging port has frozen and needed a manual release. And he says the screen sometimes doesn't come on. The nearest dealership is 100 miles away. He got an appointment, drove, got a loaner, drove home. They were 'Unable to reproduce' the rattles/screen issue. So he had to drive back and pick up his car with nothing getting fixed.
- 1123581321 7y ago
  What did Tesla say when your neighbor insisted they revisit the issues again before he drove back?
  - faet 7y ago
    He went on a ride along with them. But, they basically went around the block and it was fairly smooth. He said the AC vent was more noticeable at highway speeds, but they didn't want to go on the highway as they had their "own route". Additionally, the screen was working when they were there.
    - 7y ago

Why would it be catastrophic? That kind of reliability works just fine for other luxury brands. Tesla's should naturally be better anyway due to the simpler drivetrain and lack of maintenance.

zarro 7y ago

I think that is a lazy business model, selling cars at a very low margin just so that you could make money by planned obsolescence and high cost replacement parts. I would rather buy a car for more money that's engineered to the best possible attainable engineering perfection than one that is not. Often, those more reliable cars are even cheaper and made in massive production. Given Teslas goal of accelerating the change to sustainable energy, it would be in their best interest to make the best possible and reliable car they could at the highest possible production numbers, instead of leaving a competitive advantage for toyota to take over reliable scalable production. Besides I would argue the purpose of the model 3 is a mass market vehicle that is really nice, and not just a niche "luxury" vehicle as is often implied.

jankyxenon 7y ago
I don't think BMW's business model is lazy. You'll come up against design decisions again and again where the trade-off is performance vs. reliability. Toyota would more often choose the latter, BMW the former.
- zarro 7y ago
  I disagree with the proposition that performance and reliability are categorically mutually exclusive.

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netsharc 7y ago

With the difference that Teslas have Lithium batteries. Mobile phone batteries become so crap after a few years... Anyone have an old Model S and want to share their experience?

faet 7y ago

>Tesla’s should be better if anything due to the simpler drivetrain and lack of maintenance Eh, their reliability is much worse than other brands, even luxury brands. https://www.truedelta.com/car-reliability-by-brand?min=2016&max=2019 https://www.truedelta.com/car-reliability-by-brand?min=2016&... https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/tesla-model-3-loses-cr-recommendation-over-reliability-issues/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisf... If it "works" it's great. But, once out of warranty it can be expensive and delayed before you can get your car fixed. On my S, I had to replace 3 door handles, drive unit, screen, TPS, passenger mirror was replaced, and a few other things. This was ~3 years of ownership and < 30k miles. Many of these things had a long delay before they could get fixed. I was in a loaner for over 3 weeks while they fixed the drive unit. My father had an X that got bought back due to never being able to fix the rear door sensor. It would open a foot and freeze. He also had a handful of other issues. This was in less than a year of ownership. My neighbor with the 3 got into an accident. It's ~6-8 months for them to fix their rear bumper. Additionally, one of the seatbelt adjusters and one of the AC vents rattle. So he stuck a piece of foam in there. His charging port has frozen and needed a manual release. And he says the screen sometimes doesn't come on. The nearest dealership is 100 miles away. He got an appointment, drove, got a loaner, drove home. They were 'Unable to reproduce' the rattles/screen issue. So he had to drive back and pick up his car with nothing getting fixed.

1123581321 7y ago
What did Tesla say when your neighbor insisted they revisit the issues again before he drove back?
- faet 7y ago
  He went on a ride along with them. But, they basically went around the block and it was fairly smooth. He said the AC vent was more noticeable at highway speeds, but they didn't want to go on the highway as they had their "own route". Additionally, the screen was working when they were there.
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